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Very much like sentience, then, you think? :P

2011/6/12 José Luis Ricón <artirj@xxxxxxxxx>

> Maybe it's more a gradual transition rather a "hard" line traced in sand.
>
> El día 12 de junio de 2011 23:20, danteashton@xxxxxxxxx
> <danteashton@xxxxxxxxx> escribió:
> > But that's my point, Artir; where do we draw the line? It's practically
> > completely arbitrary, as is the definition of life.
> > And it's good that your back, I thought you had run off...
> > -Dante
> >
> > 2011/6/12 José Luis Ricón <artirj@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >> Well, Artificial Intelligence. What makes it special?
> >> In first place: it is commonly assumed that what makes us humans
> >> special is our ability to perform rational thinking. Other animals
> >> live on their instincts and what they learn in their life. We can
> >> create new knowledge, get to really know something.
> >> Compare using a language phrasebook to get around in China to actually
> >> knows chinese, to know every meaning of what you are saying and how
> >> does it relate to other characters, and being able to formulate
> >> sentences outside of the ones you've heard or learnt. That is that
> >> difference.
> >>
> >> So that same difference is what I think applies to AI. Learning and
> >> going further. In the case of a full fledged human mind-level neuronal
> >> AI, this difference is evident, but in a more limited case, our
> >> project (at least for now) we still consider it AI. Where is the
> >> boundary? I think that isn't quite clear and there are degrees of AI
> >> strenght, i.e. from 0 being a dumb printf("Hello World"); to 100 being
> >> something as smart as us. (And that could go over 100 (and 9000) if
> >> the machine can self improve and etc...).
> >>
> >> Wintermute does attempt to understand knowledge via a database and
> >> means to establish relations in content it receives, via Panlingua.
> >> Now "Glass" is not an entry in a table like Glass:"Substance made of
> >> SiO2..." It's now a mutable object that has atributes such as
> >> breakable, can also mean container of liquids and any others you can
> >> think of. So when you say "Is this glass full of water?" Wintermute's
> >> understanding of that is closer to ours than the one of a non AI
> >> program. Relations between meanings.
> >> A spam filter searches for patterns and categorizes that as spam.
> >> Wintermute would also do that, but find more patterns inside the spam
> >> it rejects, and the mails it let go through; being able to understand
> >> relations inside the text gives WM an advantage over a system that
> >> just reads and matches text against said patterns.
> >>
> >> In the case of facial recognition, the problem is far more complex
> >> than bardcodes, just because barcodes are designed to be read by
> >> machines. A standarized format of black and white stripes. Faces the
> >> result of many factors and we have to adapt our detections techniques
> >> to them, while we can adapt barcodes so that they can be easily read.
> >> In fact, as far as I know, face detection currently works by
> >> extracting the most important features of the face ("Eigenface"), the
> >> same way you would get eigenvalues outta of a matrix in Algebra. Is
> >> doing the math, basically. You need quite a large matrix to scan a
> >> face, while if you follow that approach with barcodes, a smaller one
> >> will suffice. And of course, variations in lightning, angle and small
> >> changes in the face can make the whole process even more difficult
> >> versus the simplicity of realatively immutable barcodes. How does a
> >> program knows that this other pic it's me with a beard and that other
> >> one it's not me but looks quite a lot like me?. Training. Learning.
> >>
> >> Not to be able to do something, but to understand why you're doing it,
> >> how could you make it better, what are you doing wrong. That's what a
> >> program should do or emulate to learn as we do.
> >>
> >> BTW, I'm back ;D
> >>
> >> El día 12 de junio de 2011 20:30, SII <dante.ashton@xxxxxxxxxx>
> escribió:
> >> > Because trying to assemble a psych meeting through IRC has been
> somewhat
> >> > bad, I thought it best to start a discussion on here.
> >> > Artificial Intelligence: AI. Defined, roughly, by programming
> computers
> >> > to
> >> > perform tasks normally reserved for humans.
> >> > But what of a more in-depth definition? Why is Wintermute so special,
> >> > yet a
> >> > spam filter isn't?
> >> > Why is the idea of facial recognition more appetizing then that of
> >> > barcode
> >> > recognition?
> >> > Why is it that we can point to any chat-bot; AIML or not, and call
> that
> >> > AI,
> >> > yet so ignore far more complex processes and daemons running in order
> to
> >> > keep our world turning?
> >> > The problem of defining AI is, it seems, very much like defining life;
> >> > you
> >> > can point to yourself, a pet, or anything classed as a microrganism,
> and
> >> > say
> >> > "That's life."
> >> > A set of chemicals, however, isn't. It's just chemicals. When does a
> bag
> >> > of
> >> > adrenaline turn into anger? When does cortisol turn into worry? The
> >> > definition here is as fuzzy as the defintion of  system vs. an
> >> > intelligent
> >> > system, no?
> >> > Discuss, chaps.
> >> > -Dante
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> José Luis Ricón
> >>
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