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Re: How many particles can be simulated one time, and how long it will take to get a good result?
Hi, Vaclav, Bruno ,
Thanks for your nice reply.
I would like to use some code in YADE to do a simulation of rock failure ,
actually, it should be failure of a wellbore,--of course I need to write my
the simulation is requested to be field scale---it is terrible because the
time may be more than 100years, so I would like to know the general
information about the computing time.
The material is the rock of sandstone, or clay, so the typical diameter of
the 'body' should be in the range of 0.001mm to 1 mm, but I am not clear
about the stiffiness, and the result should be after initial failure has
passed 5-10 days(the real world time) because I want to track the failure
procedure--I do no tknow how many iterations it needs.
I know this question is very open, so I would like to know the general
information about the time consuming.
1 Million is a lot, but it is still less than the requestment of the advisor
who wants a field scale simulation, which means the sample may be many m^3,
I am sure it will take many many years, so do you have some suggestion about
this?---can I use a bigger body to get the same result for with this way I
can reduce the total particle number; or use a smaller sample but use some
method to get a resonable result that can used to understand the field
condition; Or, other advice with you experience? Appreciated.
Have a good day.
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1. Re: How many particles can be simulated one time, and how
long it will take to get a good result? (Bruno Chareyre)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:33:08 +0200
From: Bruno Chareyre <bruno.chareyre@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Yade-users] How many particles can be simulated one
time, and how long it will take to get a good result?
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There is no precise answer to your question, unless you give us the
stiffness of particles, their density and sizes, and the number of
iterations you need. I can confirm the numbers given by Vaclav below,
but they can fluctuate a lot depending on the parameters of the model.
To give you an idea, the number of particles in my DEM simulations are
usually between 10,000 and 20,000; and the computations need often more
than 1 hour. But again, they need more than an hour because I need more
than 100,000 iterations. Would I need only 1000 iterations, then the
computation time would be 100 times less.
The only thing I'm sure is that 1 million particles is a lot. I don't
think somebody tried this before.
>> 2. How long will it take to get a good result if I simulate about
>> 1Million particles with my computer? or how long it will take to
>> 1sec at real-world time, or what is the general time step in the DEM
>> part of YADE---the level of 1 ms, or 0.001 ms?
> Those who have done large simulations (Bruno, Janek?) can respond from
> experience. For the timestep, it will be in the order of elastic wave
> propagating over the distance of particle diameter. E.g. for concrete
> particles of 1mm and 4000m/s, it would give some 2.5e-7s, i.e. 250ns (am
> wrong here?).
> There is dynamic timestepper that will adjust dt based on stiffnesses of
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