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[Adam Baxter <voltagex@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Agreed. AL 2.0.

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:33 AM, Nasser Dassi <nasserd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I concur with Garrett's recommendation of AL 2.0.
>
> The language translates to the same thing with 3 specific exceptions:
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> * AL 2.0 is explicitly *no-charge*.
> * AL 2.0 is explicitly *irrevocable *(as bold-faced).
> * AL 2.0 includes a *termination *clause.
>
> That being said (and IIRC) the MSPL appears geared towards commercial
> entities opening their source code.  The MSPL appears to imply additional
> licensing/termination clauses not included herein... although typically
> included in commercial software).
>
> - nasser
>
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Garrett Serack <garretts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>>  The MSPL is great and all… but I think it lacks a bit of expressive
>> clarity:
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>> MSPL:
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>> “Patent Grant- Subject to the terms of this license, including the
>> license conditions and limitations in section 3, each contributor grants you
>> a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free license under its licensed patents
>> to make, have made, use, sell, offer for sale, import, and/or otherwise
>> dispose of its contribution in the software or derivative works of the
>> contribution in the software.”
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>> AL 2.0:
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>> “Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, each Contributor
>> hereby grants to You a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge,
>> royalty-free, *irrevocable (except as stated in this section)* patent
>> license to make, have made, use, offer to sell, sell, import, and otherwise
>> transfer the Work, where such license applies only to those patent claims
>> licensable by such Contributor that are necessarily infringed by their
>> Contribution(s) alone or by combination of their Contribution(s) with the
>> Work to which such Contribution(s) was submitted. If You institute patent
>> litigation against any entity (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a
>> lawsuit) alleging that the Work or a Contribution incorporated within the
>> Work constitutes direct or contributory patent infringement, then any patent
>> licenses granted to You under this License for that Work shall terminate as
>> of the date such litigation is filed.”
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>> I prefer the explicit-ness that the AL has regarding.
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>> If we’re going to be clear, then let’s be very clear.
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>> G
>>
>> *Garrett* *Serack* | Open Source Software Developer | *Microsoft
>> Corporation *
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>> *I don't make the software you use; I make the software you use better on
>> Windows.*
>>
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>>
>> *From:* Ferdi [mailto:foerdi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:51 AM
>> *To:* Garrett Serack
>> *Cc:* coapp-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: [Coapp-developers] Choice of License.
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>>
>>
>> Why not Ms-PL? easy...
>>
>> 2010/5/18 Garrett Serack <garretts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>> I’ve been looking at this carefully, and it boils down to a couple of
>> choices:
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>> New BSD (simple, direct, but a bit vague)
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>> Or
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>> Apache License 2.0.
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>> The nice part of the AL is that its language is quite clear about what
>> means what, and specifically what is being granted, whereas the BSD license
>> is relying upon a lot of ‘implied’ license of patents and whatnot.
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>> The AL also directly limits liability—always a good thing.
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>> Unless someone can give me a significantly good reason to rethink this,
>> I’d say we should go with the AL 2.0 for all the code we create.
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>> Shallow-forks of other projects should maintain the licenses of their
>> upstream originators.
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>> G
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