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[Chau Thu Tran <tran.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear all,

I send the document to represent requirements of CHR and our ideas to
build the system.

Please enclose the attached file and give us suggestion about the system.

Chau Thu Tran


On 5/25/09, Abyot Gizaw <abyota@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Greetings !!
>
> Was expecting for your comments but didn't get any. Anyways I assume that
> you all have agreed to some extent.... and now I am into the coding, please
> join me in that.
>
> Thank you.
> Abyot.
>
>
> 2009/5/20 Abyot Gizaw <abyota@xxxxxxxxx>
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Please find the attached very much simplified design specification for the
>> CBHS. Hope to get your comments so that we go into the coding business.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Abyot
>>
>> 2009/5/20 Abyot Gizaw <abyota@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> Ahh... I just got the summary of the discussion you made in the conference
>>> call.
>>>
>>> And here is my feeling. Honestly I don't see these
>>> technologies/frameworks/choices really relevant at least to start with
>>> (though being future-proof is fine), because if we continue to do this we
>>> will never agree on anything and finally reach august with nothing. I
>>> mean,
>>> better if we could stick to "keep it simple" phiolosohy and reach on
>>> something with the frameworks and technologies we are currently using -
>>> "known devil is better than unknown angel".
>>>
>>> For me, what will be interesting at this stage is to throw as many inputs
>>> as possible all focused on the requirements and functionalities of the
>>> system we are trying to comeup with - India needs it, Vietnam needs it,
>>> Tanzania, Malawi and also Ethiopia.
>>>
>>> From my side: the requirement is to have a system capable of registering
>>> visits for specific programs (FP, ANC and Immunization at least to start
>>> with). And below is a little break-up of this.
>>>
>>> 1.       *Individual/Patient Management Module *–the requirement here is
>>> to systematically manage (as well as track) individuals. Very much
>>> similar
>>> to orgunit hierarchy operation and module in DHIS2.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ·         Village(name, house(s), ANM(s), …)
>>>
>>> o   Add/Edit/Remove
>>>
>>> ·         House(houseno, family, ?gpslocation?,…)
>>>
>>> o   Add/edit/Remove
>>>
>>> ·         Family(house,husband,wife,son(s), daughter(s),..)
>>>
>>> o   Add/Edit/Remove/move-around
>>>
>>> ·         Individual(name,house,…)
>>>
>>> o   Add/Edit/Remove/move-around
>>>
>>>
>>> *2.       **Health Program Management – *This is something (I would say)
>>> similar to advanced dataset management. This module is to enable users
>>> manage programs (for e.g. Family Planning, ANC, Immunization, Line-List
>>> of
>>> Birth, Line-List of Death, …)
>>>
>>> ·         Program(name, frequency, program_phase(s),…)
>>>
>>> o   Add/Edit/Remove
>>>
>>> ·         Program_phase(name, frequency, register,
>>> individuals_in_the_program, …)
>>>
>>> o   Add/Edit/Remove/link_with_register
>>>
>>>
>>> *3.       **Register Management – *Probably this is the most complicated
>>> part of the system. And I would be happy if Saptarshi can pull something
>>> from OpenMRS especially from the XML_Reporting module. Because there
>>> things
>>> are saved in plain XML raw data – which I think is quite ok because there
>>> will be a wide range of objects to be part of a register (Individual,
>>> dataelement,period,house,date, orgunit,….)
>>>
>>> ·         Functionalities expected from this module
>>>
>>> o   Add/Edit/Remove register
>>>
>>> o   Assign objects to register
>>>
>>> §  objectes could be – dataelement, individual, house, village, period,
>>> date,…
>>>
>>> o   Arrange objects or create a register form
>>>
>>> §  Depending on the type of objects assigned to the register a form need
>>> to be designed using different dataentry boxes (boolean, calendar,
>>> text/integer box, drop_down, hierarchy browsing, …
>>>
>>>
>>> *4.       **Activity Plan Generator*
>>>
>>> ·         Cross-check services/programs provided and forecast the next
>>> program_phase – activity plan. The forecast is expected to have
>>>
>>> o   A list of tasks detailing what_service_to_provide(which phase,
>>> register_related_information, for_whom(individual), where_to_go (village,
>>> house_no)
>>>
>>>
>>> *5.       **Aggregation Module*
>>>
>>> ·         As much as possible a ?free_text? (combinations of
>>> objects/drop_downs/,…) query engine. Again there is a lot to take from
>>> OpenMRS cohort manager.
>>>
>>> ·         Queries should be mapped to existing objects (or their
>>> combinations) and saved for later use.
>>>
>>> Can the Vietnam, Tanzania and Malawi team comment of this and also
>>> provide
>>> their own requirement?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> Abyot.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/5/20 Saptarshi Purkayastha <sunbiz@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>> Hi Abyot,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Great to have you back! I just reached Delhi today from Kerala after
>>>> starting the mobile pilot in that state.
>>>> We had a conference call on the discussions on how to move forward with
>>>> CBHS.
>>>> I suggested that we use the whole JavaEE 6 stack (JPA, Servlet 3.0, EJB
>>>> 3.1, JSF 2.0 -- the web profile) for the CBHS and if everyone likes it
>>>> working, we can then port parts of DHIS2 to use the same architecture
>>>> and
>>>> frameworks. It makes us future-proof to some extent...
>>>>
>>>> What do you feel about JavaEE 6??
>>>> One simplistic example:
>>>> http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/xwiki/bin/view/Jolorun/JavaEE6
>>>> Architecture for writing JavaEE 6 Apps:
>>>> http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/xwiki/bin/view/Jolorun/Architecture
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Saptarshi PURKAYASTHA
>>>> Director R & D, HISP India
>>>> Health Information Systems Programme
>>>>
>>>> My Tech Blog:  http://sunnytalkstech.blogspot.com
>>>> You Live by CHOICE, Not by CHANCE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2009/5/19 Abyot Gizaw <abyota@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am now back to action fresh and full of energy!
>>>>>
>>>>> It is true that we need to synchronize our effrots and come up with
>>>>> something working that benefits the whole HISP network. But at the same
>>>>> time
>>>>> we need to be carefuel not to swamp ourselves with too many design
>>>>> ponders -
>>>>> I like Arthur's "Keep It Simple Stupid" phiolosohpy. Anyways it would
>>>>> be
>>>>> great, as Lars asked, if we could get a more formal and detailed
>>>>> description
>>>>> of the system "Child Health Record". And just a question how
>>>>> different/similar is it from the system Thanh is
>>>>> running/developing/talking?
>>>>> and if it is sort of recording then I would say OpenMRS will be a good
>>>>> candidate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sort of crazy idea I have is, two broad classification of health
>>>>> information systems - one focusing on curative and the other one on
>>>>> preventive. The community based system we plan is in the category of
>>>>> preventive and hence issues of planning, scheduling, alerting and
>>>>> outreaching are very much critical. And this category is perfectly
>>>>> inline to
>>>>> the philosophy of DHIS2/HISP. In the other category, curative systems,
>>>>> the
>>>>> focus is on the history of a patient(child, mother, ...) and hence
>>>>> stroage,
>>>>> retrival, and the like are the main issues. so my question is therefore
>>>>> ....
>>>>> are we mixing the two? if so how? and also ask our Vietnam team to
>>>>> comment
>>>>> on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Saptarshi.... is there anything you would like to share/update me
>>>>> regarding the community system?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Abyot
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Ola Hodne Titlestad <olati@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Saptarshi and Abyot:
>>>>>> These Vietnamese requirements (attached .doc) to a patient-level child
>>>>>> health system fits well with the community household based system
>>>>>> (CHBS) you
>>>>>> are working on.
>>>>>> As Jørn mentioned in a previous mail related to design discussion on
>>>>>> the new community system it is important that we think broader than
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> requirements in India, but also include these requirements in Vietnam,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> also the quite similar requirements of a planned maternal health
>>>>>> system in
>>>>>> Tanzania and Malawi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lars already requested more details from Vietnam on the actual user
>>>>>> requirements for the child health system so hopefully we can all
>>>>>> receive
>>>>>> that shortly. I will also push Caroline and Marlene from TZ and Malawi
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> write up requirements for their planned maternal health system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a trend all around the HISP network towards electronic
>>>>>> capturing of patient or case (vital events, notifiable diseases etc.)
>>>>>> based
>>>>>> information in relation to DHIS implementations, and we need to target
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> with a broad enough approach so that the new CHBS (that is the name
>>>>>> used in
>>>>>> India) can benefit the whole HISP network. Concetually I see this as a
>>>>>> web
>>>>>> based version of the DHIS 1.4 patient module, but somehow extended to
>>>>>> include tracking of patients. Still following a simplistic approach
>>>>>> and not
>>>>>> intending to become a fully fledged electronic record system (like
>>>>>> OpenMRS,
>>>>>> Care2X etc.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To me it seems as all these proposed systems build around the same
>>>>>> core
>>>>>> functionality; to be able to define, capture and store
>>>>>> patient/case/household-level data in DHIS, to track patients across
>>>>>> cases/events, and to relate the patient data to routine (aggregated)
>>>>>> data
>>>>>> through user-defined expressions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ms. Tran,
>>>>>> As you see there is ongoing work in HISP (especially in India) to
>>>>>> develop a similar system to what you are proposing so you should try
>>>>>> to get
>>>>>> involved in the ongoing discussion and work being done on this.
>>>>>> Saptarshi
>>>>>> and Abyot (e-mail addresses included in this mail) are driving this
>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best regards,
>>>>>> Ola Hodne Titlestad
>>>>>> HISP
>>>>>> University of Oslo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Cong Duong Dinh <duong_dinhcong@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Date: Thu, May 14, 2009 at 3:55 AM
>>>>>> Subject: FW: Child Health Record - ideas in Viet Nam
>>>>>> To: Arthur HEYWOOD <arthur@xxxxxxxx>, catakim@xxxxxxxxx, Jorn Braa <
>>>>>> jbraa@xxxxxxxxxx>, Jørn Braa <jornbraa@xxxxxxxxx>, knutst@xxxxxxxxx,
>>>>>> Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxxx>, Ola Hodne Titlestad <
>>>>>> olatitle@xxxxxxxxx>, Ola <olati@xxxxxxxxxx>, Suddeps Sed <
>>>>>> sundeeps@xxxxxxxxxx>, Sundeep <sundeep.sahay@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Dear all specialists,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I manage Tran work, I can not comment her ideas,
>>>>>> Thanh said that it's impossible, because he did work longtime on it.
>>>>>> But I doubt about this idea. We had DHIS2.0 not DHIS1.0.
>>>>>> Sop we decide let Tran work for this for some months and see what
>>>>>> happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tran prepare well her protocol, so I really hope you can give us some
>>>>>> comments.
>>>>>> Tran said that DHIS2.0 is a very good, strong base to built this up.
>>>>>> What do you think..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanh said that, now Oslo just had a new policy for DHIS?
>>>>>> I hope I can receive from you, that will help me to manage the team
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanh said that now we have to ask Tran work for DHIS, I can not do
>>>>>> that because I have to help Mother and Child Health Centre and me and
>>>>>> Jorn
>>>>>> did agree that with Giang - Director of Health Service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yesterday Chinh met us and ask us again about this issue, I had
>>>>>> 13.000.000 VND # 7.000 USD for this work, but the output should be
>>>>>> sure,
>>>>>> because he can not use that money for resaerch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So please  give Tran some comments and good support for her work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please help
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cong
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Duong Dinh Cong CUF/UTC 520 Ng Tri Phuong QX HCM-City Vietnam Tel 84 8
>>>>>> 8631383 Fax 84 8 650025
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:10 +0700
>>>>>> Subject: Child Health Record - ideas in Viet Nam
>>>>>> From: tran.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> To: dhis2-devs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> CC: duong_dinhcong@xxxxxxxxxxx; trung.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx;
>>>>>> tranthanhtri84@xxxxxxxxx; sam.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx;
>>>>>> thuy.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx; hieu.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx;
>>>>>> tran.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We're going to build Child Health Record based on DHIS. I send the
>>>>>> document to represent our ideas about the module.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please enclose the attached file and give us suggestion about the
>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> According to our ideas, we try to create a form from system, but we
>>>>>> can't share data. Now we're researching how  to solve this big
>>>>>> program.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chau Thu Tran
>>>>>>
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