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[Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx>]

I think there are multiple issues - Lars has spelled out 2, but I think
Nayeem and I are pointing to a third one, namley:

How does the poor data entry clerk know which fields are "compulsory" when
there is no asterisk or other indication of it?

Knut


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah <n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Hi
> Even anyone can't complete a form which have a compulsory data element
> with numeric value zero, whether zero value saving is off.
>
> The asterisk can be used in all dataset and forms. Is there any value to
> put it as a option per dataset?
>
> *Nayeem Al Mifthah*
> HMIS C
> onsultant
> Management Information System
> Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
> Supported by: UNICEF
> -Bangladesh
>
> Email: *n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx <n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx>*
> *   | nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>*
> Cell:*+8801914030574*
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Lars Helge Øverland <larshelge@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think if we are to create a blueprint it should be for an option per
>> data set, like "Make compulsory data elements required fields in form".
>>
>> Currently the main purpose of the compulsory data elements is to define
>> which elements should be used for completeness / reporting rates. Form
>> validation is a slightly different concern.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Lars
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Nayeem,
>>> It was more a question for the developers, as we try not to clutter the
>>> BP list too much ;-)
>>>
>>> Knut
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah <n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah... why not?
>>>>
>>>> *Nayeem Al Mifthah*
>>>> HMIS C
>>>> onsultant
>>>> Management Information System
>>>> Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
>>>> Supported by: UNICEF
>>>> -Bangladesh
>>>>
>>>> Email: *n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx <n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx>*
>>>> *   | nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>*
>>>> Cell:*+8801914030574*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I have been missing this for a long time. Should I make a
>>>>> blueprint for it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Knut
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah <
>>>>> n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> An asterisk is a good option for indication. In Bangladesh we give
>>>>>> asterisks on custom forms. Default form should have the indication.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Nayeem Al Mifthah*
>>>>>> HMIS C
>>>>>> onsultant
>>>>>> Management Information System
>>>>>> Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
>>>>>> Supported by: UNICEF
>>>>>> -Bangladesh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Email: *n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx <n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx>*
>>>>>> *   | nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>*
>>>>>> Cell:*+8801914030574*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There should be an option to enforce it like you say, but with the
>>>>>>> current implementation the form doesn't even indicate (eg with an asterisk)
>>>>>>> which data should always be entered, even when 0.
>>>>>>> It only shows up in validation.
>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2014 4:07 PM, "Nayeem Al Mifthah" <n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As per my understanding. Compulsory data element is used for
>>>>>>>> enforcing to fill up of the element for fulfilling the dataset. Without
>>>>>>>> fill the compulsory data element(s) no one can complete the dataset.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For numeric value there is a caution to use Compulsory data element
>>>>>>>> about zero '0' value saving.
>>>>>>>> For other data types it is OK for use.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Nayeem Al Mifthah*
>>>>>>>> HMIS C
>>>>>>>> onsultant
>>>>>>>> Management Information System
>>>>>>>> Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
>>>>>>>> Supported by: UNICEF
>>>>>>>> -Bangladesh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Email: *n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx <n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx>*
>>>>>>>> *   | nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>*
>>>>>>>> Cell:*+8801914030574*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Adebusoye Anifalaje <
>>>>>>>> busoye@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation
>>>>>>>>> if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative
>>>>>>>>> calculation for reporting rates.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is my understanding. There might be other views.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Busoye
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 17 Jul 2014, at 09:54, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I'm
>>>>>>>>> not clear on how to use them....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Knut
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Knut Staring
>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
>>>>>>>>> +4791880522
>>>>>>>>> http://dhis2.org
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>>>>> Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
>>>>> +4791880522
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Knut Staring
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