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[Nayeem Al Mifthah <n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yeah, Knut is clarify about our common interest.

I have a suggestion that, whenever a data element with numeric type made
compulsory, it should save zero value. At least a suggestion box can appear.

*Nayeem Al Mifthah*
HMIS C
onsultant
Management Information System
Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
Supported by: UNICEF
-Bangladesh

Email: *n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx <n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx>*
*   | nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>*
Cell:*+8801914030574*


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I think there are multiple issues - Lars has spelled out 2, but I think
> Nayeem and I are pointing to a third one, namley:
>
> How does the poor data entry clerk know which fields are "compulsory" when
> there is no asterisk or other indication of it?
>
> Knut
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah <n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> Even anyone can't complete a form which have a compulsory data element
>> with numeric value zero, whether zero value saving is off.
>>
>> The asterisk can be used in all dataset and forms. Is there any value to
>> put it as a option per dataset?
>>
>> *Nayeem Al Mifthah*
>> HMIS C
>> onsultant
>> Management Information System
>> Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
>> Supported by: UNICEF
>> -Bangladesh
>>
>> Email: *n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx <n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx>*
>> *   | nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>*
>> Cell:*+8801914030574*
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Lars Helge Øverland <larshelge@xxxxxxxxx
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think if we are to create a blueprint it should be for an option per
>>> data set, like "Make compulsory data elements required fields in form".
>>>
>>> Currently the main purpose of the compulsory data elements is to define
>>> which elements should be used for completeness / reporting rates. Form
>>> validation is a slightly different concern.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Lars
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Nayeem,
>>>> It was more a question for the developers, as we try not to clutter the
>>>> BP list too much ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Knut
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah <
>>>> n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah... why not?
>>>>>
>>>>> *Nayeem Al Mifthah*
>>>>> HMIS C
>>>>> onsultant
>>>>> Management Information System
>>>>> Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
>>>>> Supported by: UNICEF
>>>>> -Bangladesh
>>>>>
>>>>> Email: *n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx <n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx>*
>>>>> *   | nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>*
>>>>> Cell:*+8801914030574*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I have been missing this for a long time. Should I make a
>>>>>> blueprint for it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Knut
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Nayeem Al Mifthah <
>>>>>> n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An asterisk is a good option for indication. In Bangladesh we give
>>>>>>> asterisks on custom forms. Default form should have the indication.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Nayeem Al Mifthah*
>>>>>>> HMIS C
>>>>>>> onsultant
>>>>>>> Management Information System
>>>>>>> Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
>>>>>>> Supported by: UNICEF
>>>>>>> -Bangladesh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: *n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx <n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx>*
>>>>>>> *   | nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>*
>>>>>>> Cell:*+8801914030574*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There should be an option to enforce it like you say, but with the
>>>>>>>> current implementation the form doesn't even indicate (eg with an asterisk)
>>>>>>>> which data should always be entered, even when 0.
>>>>>>>> It only shows up in validation.
>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2014 4:07 PM, "Nayeem Al Mifthah" <n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As per my understanding. Compulsory data element is used for
>>>>>>>>> enforcing to fill up of the element for fulfilling the dataset. Without
>>>>>>>>> fill the compulsory data element(s) no one can complete the dataset.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For numeric value there is a caution to use Compulsory data
>>>>>>>>> element about zero '0' value saving.
>>>>>>>>> For other data types it is OK for use.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Nayeem Al Mifthah*
>>>>>>>>> HMIS C
>>>>>>>>> onsultant
>>>>>>>>> Management Information System
>>>>>>>>> Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS), Bangladesh
>>>>>>>>> Supported by: UNICEF
>>>>>>>>> -Bangladesh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Email: *n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx <n.mifthah@xxxxxxxxx>*
>>>>>>>>> *   | nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <nayeem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>*
>>>>>>>>> Cell:*+8801914030574*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Adebusoye Anifalaje <
>>>>>>>>> busoye@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It’s not enforced in the sense that you have validation violation
>>>>>>>>>> if the data value is not completed. It is used as an alternative
>>>>>>>>>> calculation for reporting rates.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is my understanding. There might be other views.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Busoye
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Jul 2014, at 09:54, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello all, is the compulsory data elements enforced somehow? I'm
>>>>>>>>>> not clear on how to use them....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Knut
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Knut Staring
>>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
>>>>>>>>>> +4791880522
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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