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[Abyot Asalefew Gizaw <abyot@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

To avoid confusion, probably better we rename AGE value type to DOB - this,
I believe, should always be calculated against today.

And for your usecases, what you need is not really DOB or AGE as we know is
conventionally ... rather just a number that you can store with "age"
value.

--
Abyot A. Gizaw.
Senior Engineer, DHIS2
University of Oslo
http://www.dhis2.org

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:14 PM, TIMIMI, Hazim Bakir <timimih@xxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Thanks very much Lise, you described my concerns very well (although I had
> to stop to work out what DE and PI meant!).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hazim
>
>
>
> *From:* GROUT, Lise
> *Sent:* 11 October 2017 17:09
> *To:* Abyot Asalefew Gizaw; TIMIMI, Hazim Bakir
> *Cc:* dhis2-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> *Subject:* RE: [Dhis2-users] Standard approach for recording age at the
> time of diagnosis when date of birth is unknown
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> I tested the Age-type date element which is good to capture the
> approximate age of the patient. But this is a dynamic variable, in the
> sense that every day, the patient will be older of one day. Obviously, this
> is a very good attribute for the registration for example in tracker, in
> order to be able to look for a patient with the age variable, even if s/he
> shows up months or years later.
>
>
>
> But it is also important for us to capture the age at the moment of
> clinical examination/admission/presentation (whatever the name you give
> it) and that this variable is static (it won’t change over time). And for
> this, the age-type DE is therefore not helpful.
>
>
>
> We currently have “Date of birth” which is date-type and “Age in years”
> which is number-type DE, and we would actually like to have a PI “Age at
> clinical examination” which is calculated with “DOB” if available or “Age
> in years” if not available (not configured properly yet). Probably,
> ideally, the PI “Age at clinical examination” should be calculated either
> on the “DOB” DE or in the approximative DOB provided through the Age-type
> DE, but I don’t know if this is possible. (Don’t know if I make sense).
>
>
>
> Best
>
> Lise.
>
>
>
> *From:* Dhis2-users [mailto:dhis2-users-bounces+groutl=who.int@lists.
> launchpad.net <dhis2-users-bounces+groutl=who.int@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
> Behalf Of *Abyot Asalefew Gizaw
> *Sent:* 11 October 2017 16:46
> *To:* TIMIMI, Hazim Bakir
> *Cc:* dhis2-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: [Dhis2-users] Standard approach for recording age at the
> time of diagnosis when date of birth is unknown
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We will try to update the documentation :)
>
>
>
> As to the issue you refereed, it is a new one and most of us here haven't
> looked into it before... Nonetheless, looking into the requirement
> mentioned there - I think introducing the concept of age there will
> probably over complicate things. What is required seems to capture a static
> figure - and defining a simple data element of type number will handle that.
>
>
> --
>
> Abyot A. Gizaw.
>
> Senior Engineer, DHIS2
>
> University of Oslo
>
> http://www.dhis2.org
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 4:23 PM, TIMIMI, Hazim Bakir <timimih@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Abyot,
>
>
>
> Interesting, thanks. I wasn’t aware of the value type called AGE within
> DHIS2. I tried to find some documentation for this at
> https://www.dhis2.org/documentation  but couldn't see anything. I only
> found references to it on Github and also on the 2.26 release notes (
> https://www.dhis2.org/226). It doesn't explain what to do if you only
> know approximate age in years, not whether the reference date is the data
> entry date or the report/event/diagnosis date (if data entry is post hoc).
> I see this is already reported as a request in JIRA (
> https://jira.dhis2.org/browse/DHIS2-2345).
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hazim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Abyot Asalefew Gizaw [mailto:abyot@xxxxxxxxx]
> *Sent:* 11 October 2017 15:02
> *To:* TIMIMI, Hazim Bakir
> *Cc:* Edward Robinson; dhis2-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: [Dhis2-users] Standard approach for recording age at the
> time of diagnosis when date of birth is unknown
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We don't capture the additional data if DOB is approximated or not...
>
>
>
> Otherwise, we have a value type called AGE, then during data entry a
> special input field is rendered, see below
>
>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> Users are free to fill any or combination of these and behind the scene
> the system calculates/updates each field and in the end DOB is saved.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Abyot A. Gizaw.
>
> Senior Engineer, DHIS2
>
> University of Oslo
>
> http://www.dhis2.org
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:21 PM, TIMIMI, Hazim Bakir <timimih@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> Thanks very much, that makes sense. I also came across this yesterday
> which seems similar to what you have done in the past (see under
> "Collection and usage attributes"): http://meteor.aihw.gov.au/
> content/index.phtml/itemId/287007
>
> Cheers,
> Hazim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edward Robinson [mailto:erobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 11 October 2017 13:40
> To: TIMIMI, Hazim Bakir; dhis2-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [Dhis2-users] Standard approach for recording age at the time
> of diagnosis when date of birth is unknown
>
> What we've done in the past with other systems is have a field for
> estimated age at time of registration - only completed if the DOB is not
> known.  DOB is then auto-populated based on the entered age, and an
> additional YES/NO field is updated to note that the DOB is estimated and
> not exact.
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dhis2-users [mailto:dhis2-users-bounces+erobinson=
> projectbalance.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of TIMIMI, Hazim Bakir
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2017 5:01 PM
> To: dhis2-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Dhis2-users] Standard approach for recording age at the time of
> diagnosis when date of birth is unknown
>
> Is there a standard approach commonly in use to handle ages when the exact
> date of birth of a patient is unknown? I can think of two ways -- either
> using a surrogate (approximate) date of birth that tallies with a person's
> reported age, or have an extra data element for age at time of diagnosis to
> be used only if date of birth is unknown. Obviously, if date of birth is
> known then age is calculated automatically.
>
> I would like to know what people have been using and have seen to be
> working in practice (and not necessarily just in DHIS2).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Hazim
> …..
> Hazim Timimi
> Data Manager, Tuberculosis Monitoring and Evaluation, World Health
> Organization, Geneva, Switzerland Tel : +41 22 791 3468
>
>
>
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