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["Andrea Basso" <voluntatefaber@xxxxxxxxx>]

After some more thinking, I've come to agree, it's not a bad solution  
after all, and I'm not against it anymore. We should take into  
consideration the idea of having it only in the software center, or even  
both: we have an about page in the software center and the "About" item in  
the quicklist will just open it.

So, I'd go for it, but obviously not for Luna, for L+1 only (or if it's  
quick and trivial enough only AFTER the beta)

On Tue, 29 May 2012 21:34:23 +0200, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  
wrote:

> I don't disagree with your 1st point. I really dislike the dual .desktop
> thing Midori is currently doing and having root shortcuts is probably a
> good work-around while we don't implement policy kit (which is probably  
> the
> proper way to do it.)
>
> I do disagree with the second point though. I'm not sure there's a real  
> big
> distinction between opening up the app in a certain way (as root) and
> opening to a certain place (about, prefs, certain plug in Switchboard).
>
> The dock shouldn't be hidden by default (except possibly when a window is
> maximized. We still have to test that).
>
> But really, I think the real target of the About dialog is developers and
> support techs, not users. So I'm not sure we really need it to be
> discoverable. The only people who want to use it are people who know it
> exists.
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Andrea Basso  
> <voluntatefaber@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
> > @Dan, it makes sense to separate the two for two reason:
> > 1. If I wanna start Files with root privileges or Midori in a private
> > session is quite handy to have them in the quicklist, it's acutally what
> > it's there for. It's a lot of useless user interaction to start the  
> > program
> > and launch another session from the menu (like Midori does now) and  
> > having
> > two .desktop files is completely wrong, the application is only one and  
> > if
> > I dock one I wanna be able to access quickly even other way to launch  
> > it,
> > it's stupid having to dock two (or more) items for the same app.
> > 2. Dock is for launching apps, and that's it. If I right click on what I
> > clicked to launch it I expect different ways to launch it, revert the
> > launch (close it) or in general deal with app session, not the app  
> > itself.
> > Plus, imagine a new user who wanna see the about dialog. You really  
> > think
> > that going to a hidden place which reveals itself only when the mouse  
> > goes
> > to the bottom of the screen and has nothing to do with interacting with  
> > the
> > app and right-clicking on the app icon would make sense to find the  
> > about
> > dialog? Discoverability (and sense) is next to zero.
> >
> > So I don't really see how "About" fits in the quicklist.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 29 May 2012 19:48:04 +0200, Daniel Foré  
> > <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> >  @Mario, This is true that would mean that About dialog can't be shown  
> > in
> > > all DE's. But, I think as we move forward we're going to have to do  
> > > things
> > > that will start to break other DE's in order to really get our apps the
> > > best they can be.
> > >
> > > However, adding actions to a .desktop in this way is being proposed
> > > upstream to FD.o so this may be the way that GNOME handles it's  
> > > AppMenus
> > > and Unity handles it's quicklists in the future. So I don't think we
> > > should
> > > worry too much about breaking other DE's.
> > >
> > > @Satchit, I also agree that having window controls in the quicklist  
> > > menu
> > > seems silly. I don't know of anyone who uses them for this and I would
> > > advocate removing that from all of our apps.
> > >
> > > @Andrea, the quicklist *is* our external menu. I don't think it'd make
> > > sense to add yet-another-menuing-system.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Mario Guerriero <mefrio.g@xxxxxxxxx
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > >  In this way the about dialog can't be showed in all DEs. I think  
> > > however
> > > > that this is a problem for Luna+1 because we can surely found a better
> > > > solution for it.
> > > >
> > > > Mario Guerriero
> > > > Sent from iPhone 3GS
> > > >
> > > > Il giorno 29/mag/2012, alle ore 18:56, Daniel Foré <
> > > > daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ha scritto:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Guys,
> > > >
> > > > When we first did the AppMenu, I think we felt that having only a  
> > > > single
> > > > menu for an app was being extremely optimistic about it's design. But  
> > > > it
> > > > seems that even so, some of the apps that have been built for  
> > > > elementary
> > > > (Switchboard, Eidete, etc) are so contextual and awesome that they  
> > > > don't
> > > > need an AppMenu at all except for a single item: About.
> > > >
> > > > What I'd like to propose is moving "About" into a quicklist item. I  
> > > > think
> > > > this would make sense because it's About the App not just the current
> > > > Window, and it would give us a consistent place to put this item (that
> > > > I'm
> > > > pretty sure we all want for all of our apps) without requiring
> > > > yet-another-otherwise-useless-**piece-of-UI.
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Daniel Foré
> > > >
> > > > elementaryos.org
> > > >
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