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[Ivo Nunes <netherblood@xxxxxxxxx>]

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On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Andrea Basso <voluntatefaber@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> After some more thinking, I've come to agree, it's not a bad solution after
> all, and I'm not against it anymore. We should take into consideration the
> idea of having it only in the software center, or even both: we have an
> about page in the software center and the "About" item in the quicklist will
> just open it.
>
> So, I'd go for it, but obviously not for Luna, for L+1 only (or if it's
> quick and trivial enough only AFTER the beta)
>
>
> On Tue, 29 May 2012 21:34:23 +0200, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't disagree with your 1st point. I really dislike the dual .desktop
>> thing Midori is currently doing and having root shortcuts is probably a
>> good work-around while we don't implement policy kit (which is probably
>> the
>> proper way to do it.)
>>
>> I do disagree with the second point though. I'm not sure there's a real
>> big
>> distinction between opening up the app in a certain way (as root) and
>> opening to a certain place (about, prefs, certain plug in Switchboard).
>>
>> The dock shouldn't be hidden by default (except possibly when a window is
>> maximized. We still have to test that).
>>
>> But really, I think the real target of the About dialog is developers and
>> support techs, not users. So I'm not sure we really need it to be
>> discoverable. The only people who want to use it are people who know it
>> exists.
>>
>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Andrea Basso
>> <voluntatefaber@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> @Dan, it makes sense to separate the two for two reason:
>>> 1. If I wanna start Files with root privileges or Midori in a private
>>> session is quite handy to have them in the quicklist, it's acutally what
>>> it's there for. It's a lot of useless user interaction to start the
>>> program
>>> and launch another session from the menu (like Midori does now) and
>>> having
>>> two .desktop files is completely wrong, the application is only one and
>>> if
>>> I dock one I wanna be able to access quickly even other way to launch it,
>>> it's stupid having to dock two (or more) items for the same app.
>>> 2. Dock is for launching apps, and that's it. If I right click on what I
>>> clicked to launch it I expect different ways to launch it, revert the
>>> launch (close it) or in general deal with app session, not the app
>>> itself.
>>> Plus, imagine a new user who wanna see the about dialog. You really think
>>> that going to a hidden place which reveals itself only when the mouse
>>> goes
>>> to the bottom of the screen and has nothing to do with interacting with
>>> the
>>> app and right-clicking on the app icon would make sense to find the about
>>> dialog? Discoverability (and sense) is next to zero.
>>>
>>> So I don't really see how "About" fits in the quicklist.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 29 May 2012 19:48:04 +0200, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  @Mario, This is true that would mean that About dialog can't be shown in
>>>>
>>>> all DE's. But, I think as we move forward we're going to have to do
>>>> things
>>>> that will start to break other DE's in order to really get our apps the
>>>> best they can be.
>>>>
>>>> However, adding actions to a .desktop in this way is being proposed
>>>> upstream to FD.o so this may be the way that GNOME handles it's AppMenus
>>>> and Unity handles it's quicklists in the future. So I don't think we
>>>> should
>>>> worry too much about breaking other DE's.
>>>>
>>>> @Satchit, I also agree that having window controls in the quicklist menu
>>>> seems silly. I don't know of anyone who uses them for this and I would
>>>> advocate removing that from all of our apps.
>>>>
>>>> @Andrea, the quicklist *is* our external menu. I don't think it'd make
>>>> sense to add yet-another-menuing-system.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Mario Guerriero <mefrio.g@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  In this way the about dialog can't be showed in all DEs. I think
>>>> however
>>>>>
>>>>> that this is a problem for Luna+1 because we can surely found a better
>>>>> solution for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mario Guerriero
>>>>> Sent from iPhone 3GS
>>>>>
>>>>> Il giorno 29/mag/2012, alle ore 18:56, Daniel Foré <
>>>>> daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> When we first did the AppMenu, I think we felt that having only a
>>>>> single
>>>>> menu for an app was being extremely optimistic about it's design. But
>>>>> it
>>>>> seems that even so, some of the apps that have been built for
>>>>> elementary
>>>>> (Switchboard, Eidete, etc) are so contextual and awesome that they
>>>>> don't
>>>>> need an AppMenu at all except for a single item: About.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I'd like to propose is moving "About" into a quicklist item. I
>>>>> think
>>>>> this would make sense because it's About the App not just the current
>>>>> Window, and it would give us a consistent place to put this item (that
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> pretty sure we all want for all of our apps) without requiring
>>>>> yet-another-otherwise-useless-**piece-of-UI.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel Foré
>>>>>
>>>>> elementaryos.org
>>>>>
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