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[xapantu <xapantu@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi all,

Let's stop about that: the decision making process isn't satifactory, we
all agree on that. I agree with Sergey about most of the things he says,
and I would be happy we improve it. Please note that I am not in the
council, so this "We" is neither the council nor the elementary philosophy,
nor myself with my tux and my computer, I am speaking about all the
elementary contributors.

However, there is no point in spending too much time on that. We need to
finish Luna, or elementary will just die. So let's see that in one month,
when Luna is released.

About the money: this is much more complicated, we need an official
organization if we (again that we) want to manage money, we can't just pay
people like that.
Another thing: the OS market is overladen: Ubuntu, Windows, Mac OS X. If
you really want to get money, some studies needs to be done, see how Ubuntu
can't be installed in OEM, etc... Please don't hope you'll get 10,000$ a
month with eOS. If we get enough to pay 10 travel to our community by year,
it'll be very good. Well, we can hope we'll be able to drink something too
if we meet. NOBODY will be paid before several years, forget that.

Like everyone, like Dan, I have also a real life. And unfortunately, I have
to work a little to eat and feed my tux :P
So, this is my first and last mail on that.

Lucas

2012/7/4 Sergio <sertorbe@xxxxxxxxx>

>  I know that I'm very new to elementary and i also know that my voice
> doesn't count too much, however I wanted to say what i I think it's the
> best option.
>
> I think elementary could go with both of them.
> For the "before" maybe a donate button (like the one now in the web)
> should be fine. Also it doesn't have to be "before" as I think noone would
> "pay" for something he never tried, so instead of before should be an
> alternative method.
>
> Fot the "after" I have to say one thing. I have tried some distributions
> (debian,ubuntu, ubuntu derivatives, archlinux, fedora ...) and I have to
> say that the method which worked better for me (althought i didn't donate
> to any of them, sorry) was the one used in chakra.
> They put a plasma widget with things like donate,help the project and
> others which now I don't remember.I think it's the best solution,an easy to
> remove link wich say "donate" in a way user will see it. Also it has to be
> easy to remove as it would get in the way of the user in the case they
> couldn,t remove that, and that's even worse.
>
> All that said I hope that you choose the best method for this project
> (even if that method it's not this).
>
>
> On 03/07/12 23:57, Allen Lowe wrote:
>
> He didn't say it was, he said we haven't changed the revenue model, just
> the web design.
> On Jul 3, 2012 3:53 PM, "Jaap Broekhuizen" <jaapz.b@xxxxxxxxx> <jaapz.b@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>  Still, how is the revenue model just a webdesign decision?
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>
>  Yes I am. I really think direct-democracy is just a bad idea.
> Historically, we've made good decisions by having the people most involved
> in the topic make the call.
>
> When we're talking about a decision around our developer story, It's best
> to consult with our developers.
>
> When we're talking about a decisions around our design story, it's best
> to consult with our designers.
>
> With our Web story, our web team.
>
> Our translations, our (admittedly new) translation team.
>
> Requiring that everyone have a say in everything is not only going to
> lead to un-informed decisions, but it's going to slow our process way down.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Scott Ringwelski <sgringwe@xxxxxxx> <sgringwe@xxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>
>  Dan, are you asking why elementary should follow a democratic,
> whole-team decision making process rather than a more centralized decision
> making process?
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>
>  As it turns out, we have families and lives and jobs and
> responsibilities outside of elementary. That means that we're not always
> able to meet every week and discuss every issue.
>
> In my personal opinion, this is a web design issue and not something
> that needs to be run through you first for approval. But I'd be interested
> to find out from other people why they think we need to directly
> democratize our web design or any design for that matter.
>
> If you're upset because you can't get your demands met on a certain
> time schedule I'm afraid there's nothing I can do for you. You may not be
> aware, but this week celebrates our independence in the US. So there's a
> lot of family flooding in and I'm super busy juggling my very extended
> family. I can guarantee I won't be able to make the meeting again this
> Saturday because it's also my mother's birthday.
>
> I wish you luck in your next endeavor and hope you don't harbor any ill
> will towards elementary. You're always welcome back at any time.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Сергей Давыдов <shnatsel@xxxxxxxxx> <shnatsel@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>
>  Okay, it's been a week. In addition, a Council meeting should have
> taken place three days ago. This seems to be quite enough time to
> settle on something and write a reply.
>
> To speed up the discussion, I stop pretending that everything is all
> right and cease any work on elementary till I receive an answer to my
> question.
>
> --
> Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
>
>
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>
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>
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