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[David Gomes <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Shipping more packages in my opinion is anti-developping philosophy. Each
developer has his own preferred tools. Shipping more text editors, more
libraries, etc is just more bloat in my opinion. Ubuntu and its derivatives
have enough bloat already, since most of these distributions ship with more
than 2000 packages. In my system I have around 1000 packages installed, but
it came with around 600.

Besides, developers should face bugs. It's the best way we can know about
them and fix them (see
http://elementaryos.org/journal/eating-our-own-dog-food).

If you want the libraries needed for developing our software, just use
"sudo apt-get source", *any* developer should know how to get this kind of
tools. Using bazaar to branch and build our tools from source is also
something our developers *must* know how to do.

This "iso" has no real advantages in my honest opinion.

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Darcy Brás da Silva <
dardevelin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Today while talking to some fine folks at #elementary-dev that go by the
> handles of
> victored and voluntatefaber , I wondered if there was any iso build
> ready to start working/developing
> for elementary.
> Now what would be the advantages of having the extra work on getting
> this iso out.
>
> 1) Errors and bugs can be very damaging to a development environment,
> which lead to a constant fight wen testing highly unstable
> packages. This makes the developer hell much bigger since everyone tends
> to test and run this packages in a somewhat different configuration.
> In case of failure, the developer then needs re-set the development
> environment to a known stage. This can be very time consuming,
> that could be in better use.
> It would also reduce the potential hidden errors, and the known phrase
> "That's weird, It works in my machine".
>
> 2) Individuals that want to start developing in/for elementary could
> start right away hacking their way in. And if for some reason they mess
> up big time,
> guess what ? The iso is right there, re-install, start fresh.
>
> Now I am fully aware that maybe this would be a hard work, and possibly
> limiting to the fact that having everything shipped, would mean larger
> iso images
> which then could be "bad" in terms of upload + updated state of the iso.
> So another idea to support this view would go towards a "Elementary
> Developer MetaPackage" that would take care of preparing a nice
> development environment.
>
> Please feel free to contact me, on any elementary subject. I'll be glade
> to reply as soon as I can.
>
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> Darcy Brás da Silva <dardevelin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
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