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Re: Renaming Noise
On Mon 19 Nov 2012 07:50:49 PM EET, Victor Eduardo wrote:
> Thanks for your replies, I agree with most of the comments. Some
> clarifications:
>
> 1. I'm not proposing Tempo as the new name. We'd still need to
> evaluate alternatives. If it were my choice I would have re-named
> the player to "Melody" a long time ago.
> 2. Currently, the _only reason_ motivating the rename is the negative
> connotation of the word "noise" in its primary meaning: /Sound or
> a sound that is loud, unpleasant, unexpected, or undesired/. Of
> course this is not a problem if you think of the word as in "music
> genre". This is not a problem in other languages either, since app
> names are not translated.
> 3. I decided to name the (BeatBox) fork "Noise" because that's the
> name Daniel's mockups were using initially, and it was fine until
> people heard about it and started complaining about the negative
> feeling conveyed by the new name.
>
>
> In conclusion, the primary motivation behind this proposal is having a
> more marketable name. In my humble opinion, "creating confusion" is
> not really a solid argument against; Luna is still in beta stage and
> we are still free to move our pieces before the final release.
>
> On the technical side, as far as I know, Launchpad is smart enough to
> update all the non-external links (blueprints, etc.) after renaming
> the project. Updating the code wouldn't take more than 2-3 hours of my
> time, or Corentin's time, at a rough estimation. It shouldn't take
> much time on the packager's either.
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:02 AM, David Gomes <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't call this a rename. The App name would be Noise, for
> all effects, but it would be installed under the name of Media Player.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Darcy Brás da Silva
> <dardevelin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dardevelin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> I think that translating names would only make sense if the
> names were
> like 'web browser, media player, and so on' else they are
> primary nouns
> and so not translatable.
>
> I think there is no gain in changing the name at this point,
> else then
> showing project immaturity. At this point the name already
> changed once,
> and was due to developer conflict of interests. Changing again
> may just
> lead to confusion and make people think that it happened
> again. Even
> with proper disclaimers is to easy to pass the wrong message.
> Not to mention some people contributed to a previous pool when
> the name
> 'noise' was selected, now a pool made in FB a contrived medium
> which a
> lot of good people don't use for whatever reasons they deem
> does not
> seem fair to the community that contributed before or the ones
> that
> don't use FB.
>
> Those are my two cents on this matter.
>
> On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 16:38 -0005, Benjamin VanMeggelen wrote:
> > I understand the issue with the translation. From what I
> understand
> > (as french being my second language) the translation from
> Noise to
> > french is Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have
> been (or
> > will be) translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper
> > description of what Noise is in english.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël
> <tintou@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tintou@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> > wrote:
> > > Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language
> (french)
> > > there is two way to pronounce that :
> > > In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
> > > In english, and that is really hard because there is an
> double voyel
> > > (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
> > > I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Corentin Noël (tintou)
> > >
> > > Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
> > >
> > > >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the
> player. I
> > > feel that this naming scheme is most relevant to the
> player, as
> > > opposed to Tempo or some of the others that have been
> mentioned.
> > > Noise seems more generic and straight-forward as to what
> the app is
> > > meant to do.
> > > >
> > > >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans wrote:
> > > >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in
> > > communicational value, so definitely not worth the effort and
> > > hassle.
> > > >
> > > >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
> > > >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
> > > >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen
> > > >Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music
> player? Doesn't
> > > the icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app
> probably
> > > does?
> > > >
> > > >IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does.
> Also, if we
> > > are going this way with Noise because the name should
> directly show
> > > people what the app does, we should probably rename Geary
> and Midori
> > > too. And the makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam,
> Firefox,
> > > Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, Banshee, Clementine should
> probably
> > > have to start to think about a new name too.
> > > >
> > > >When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was
> made to
> > > name it "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion
> among the
> > > users. Renaming it again will only yet again result in more
> > > confusion.
> > > >
> > > >There will always be people who say a certain name is not
> good for
> > > the app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when
> you rename
> > > it to "Tempo", or any other name for that matter.
> > > >
> > > >IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really,
> really good
> > > reason to, and some users complaining it may sound
> negative is a
> > > good reason, i think. Also when you choose to rename it,
> the new
> > > name should be significantly better than the old name, if
> you want
> > > to show the confused users that it was really necessary
> and useful
> > > to make the change.
> > > >
> > > >Just my two cents,
> > > >Jaap
> > > >
> > > >Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes schreef:
> > > >
> > > >It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's
> a media
> > > player, you know it.
> > > >
> > > >For people who don't, it's better if that name it is
> installed
> > > under in the computer is "Music Player" or something like
> that. It's
> > > easier for most people.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen |
> Mobiel wrote:
> > > >What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Jaap
> > > >
> > > >"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef:
> > > >
> > > >>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
> > > >>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
> > > >>
> > > >>"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the
> kind of
> > > people
> > > >>who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it
> AFAIK.
> > > >>
> > > >>--
> > > >>Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
> > > >>OS architect @ elementary
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> > > >--
> > > >Best Regards,
> > > >Chris Triantafillis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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how about just "Music" as a name?
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O. Alperen Elhan - http://elhan.org
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