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[Jaap Broekhuizen <jaapz.b@xxxxxxxxx>]

@David:
Just "Midori". But I can recall a discussion on this mailing list about calling certain important apps "File Browser" and "Web Browser" in slingshot, among others. I don't know what the result of that discussion was though.

@Victor:
Well, we already have a few thousand users, and renaming a core app like that will create confusion. Sure we are still pretty far away from an actual release, but there are already a lot of people using the beta. If you are going to change the name, the appropriate press and social media will have to be used to be clear about this. So: a journal post, facebook, twitter and google plus, and if we are lucky, an OMG! Ubuntu post. I am also pretty sure that when you are going to rename your app on launchpad you will have issues that you did not think of before, just because launchpad is not the most user friendly website, with features hidden all over the place. 

That, plus the renaming of every branding and package etcetera just looks like a lot of hassle, if the only issue is that there are a few people who don't really like the name, like you say.

Unless there is a big group of people who are actually considering not using Noise, just because the name might have a negative tendency, i don't think that is really a valid reason to change the name.

Still, Melody is also a cool name, and if you really like that name better, and you want to go through all the hassle and journal posts etcetera to clarify it, I'm not going to stop you ;)

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Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 6:27 ,David Gomes <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> schreef:
I thought we were doing it already, what is Midori installed under?


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Alfredo Hernández <aldomann.designs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
David, if we did that with Noise, it should be done with every elementary application.

El 19/11/2012 18:02, "David Gomes" <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:

I wouldn't call this a rename. The App name would be Noise, for all effects, but it would be installed under the name of Media Player.


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Darcy Brás da Silva <dardevelin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think that translating names would only make sense if the names were
like 'web browser, media player, and so on' else they are primary nouns
and so not translatable.

I think there is no gain in changing the name at this point, else then
showing project immaturity. At this point the name already changed once,
and was due to developer conflict of interests. Changing again may just
lead to confusion and make people think that it happened again. Even
with proper disclaimers is to easy to pass the wrong message.
Not to mention some people contributed to a previous pool when the name
'noise' was selected, now a pool made in FB a contrived medium which a
lot of good people don't use for whatever reasons they deem does not
seem fair to the community that contributed before or the ones that
don't use FB.

Those are my two cents on this matter.

On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 16:38 -0005, Benjamin VanMeggelen wrote:
> I understand the issue with the translation. From what I understand
> (as french being my second language) the translation from Noise to
> french is Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have been (or
> will be) translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper
> description of what Noise is in english.
>
>
> On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël <tintou@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french)
> > there is two way to pronounce that :
> > In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
> > In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel
> > (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
> > I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Corentin Noël (tintou)
> >
> > Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
> >
> > >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I
> > feel that this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as
> > opposed to Tempo or some of the others that have been mentioned.
> > Noise seems more generic and straight-forward as to what the app is
> > meant to do.
> > >
> > >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans wrote:
> > >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in
> > communicational value, so definitely not worth the effort and
> > hassle.
> > >
> > >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
> > >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
> > >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
> > >
> > >
> > >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen
> > >Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't
> > the icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably
> > does?
> > >
> > >IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we
> > are going this way with Noise because the name should directly show
> > people what the app does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori
> > too. And the makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox,
> > Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, Banshee, Clementine should probably
> > have to start to think about a new name too.
> > >
> > >When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to
> > name it "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the
> > users. Renaming it again will only yet again result in more
> > confusion.
> > >
> > >There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for
> > the app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename
> > it to "Tempo", or any other name for that matter.
> > >
> > >IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good
> > reason to, and some users complaining it may sound negative is a
> > good reason, i think. Also when you choose to rename it, the new
> > name should be significantly better than the old name, if you want
> > to show the confused users that it was really necessary and useful
> > to make the change.
> > >
> > >Just my two cents,
> > >Jaap
> > >
> > >Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes schreef:
> > >
> > >It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media
> > player, you know it.
> > >
> > >For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed
> > under in the computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's
> > easier for most people.
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel wrote:
> > >What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
> > >
> > >--
> > >Jaap
> > >
> > >"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef:
> > >
> > >>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
> > >>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
> > >>
> > >>"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind of
> > people
> > >>who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it AFAIK.
> > >>
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