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[Victor Eduardo <victor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks for your replies, I agree with most of the comments. Some
clarifications:


   1. I'm not proposing Tempo as the new name. We'd still need to evaluate
   alternatives. If it were my choice I would have re-named the player to
   "Melody" a long time ago.
   2. Currently, the *only reason* motivating the rename is the negative
   connotation of the word "noise" in its primary meaning: *Sound or a
   sound that is loud, unpleasant, unexpected, or undesired*. Of course
   this is not a problem if you think of the word as in "music genre". This is
   not a problem in other languages either, since app names are not translated.
   3. I decided to name the (BeatBox) fork "Noise" because that's the name
   Daniel's mockups were using initially, and it was fine until people heard
   about it and started complaining about the negative feeling conveyed by the
   new name.


In conclusion, the primary motivation behind this proposal is having a more
marketable name. In my humble opinion, "creating confusion" is not really a
solid argument against; Luna is still in beta stage and we are still free
to move our pieces before the final release.

On the technical side, as far as I know, Launchpad is smart enough to
update all the non-external links (blueprints, etc.) after renaming the
project. Updating the code wouldn't take more than 2-3 hours of my time, or
Corentin's time, at a rough estimation. It shouldn't take much time on the
packager's either.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:02 AM, David Gomes <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> I wouldn't call this a rename. The App name would be Noise, for all
> effects, but it would be installed under the name of Media Player.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Darcy Brás da Silva <
> dardevelin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I think that translating names would only make sense if the names were
>> like 'web browser, media player, and so on' else they are primary nouns
>> and so not translatable.
>>
>> I think there is no gain in changing the name at this point, else then
>> showing project immaturity. At this point the name already changed once,
>> and was due to developer conflict of interests. Changing again may just
>> lead to confusion and make people think that it happened again. Even
>> with proper disclaimers is to easy to pass the wrong message.
>> Not to mention some people contributed to a previous pool when the name
>> 'noise' was selected, now a pool made in FB a contrived medium which a
>> lot of good people don't use for whatever reasons they deem does not
>> seem fair to the community that contributed before or the ones that
>> don't use FB.
>>
>> Those are my two cents on this matter.
>>
>> On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 16:38 -0005, Benjamin VanMeggelen wrote:
>> > I understand the issue with the translation. From what I understand
>> > (as french being my second language) the translation from Noise to
>> > french is Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have been (or
>> > will be) translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper
>> > description of what Noise is in english.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël <tintou@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>> > > Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language (french)
>> > > there is two way to pronounce that :
>> > > In french, and that word exists and means "problems"
>> > > In english, and that is really hard because there is an double voyel
>> > > (no-ise) so it's not that good for us.
>> > > I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Corentin Noël (tintou)
>> > >
>> > > Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit :
>> > >
>> > > >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the player. I
>> > > feel that this naming scheme is most relevant to the player, as
>> > > opposed to Tempo or some of the others that have been mentioned.
>> > > Noise seems more generic and straight-forward as to what the app is
>> > > meant to do.
>> > > >
>> > > >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans wrote:
>> > > >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in
>> > > communicational value, so definitely not worth the effort and
>> > > hassle.
>> > > >
>> > > >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote:
>> > > >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it...
>> > > >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better...
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen
>> > > >Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music player? Doesn't
>> > > the icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app probably
>> > > does?
>> > > >
>> > > >IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. Also, if we
>> > > are going this way with Noise because the name should directly show
>> > > people what the app does, we should probably rename Geary and Midori
>> > > too. And the makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Firefox,
>> > > Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, Banshee, Clementine should probably
>> > > have to start to think about a new name too.
>> > > >
>> > > >When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was made to
>> > > name it "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion among the
>> > > users. Renaming it again will only yet again result in more
>> > > confusion.
>> > > >
>> > > >There will always be people who say a certain name is not good for
>> > > the app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when you rename
>> > > it to "Tempo", or any other name for that matter.
>> > > >
>> > > >IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, really good
>> > > reason to, and some users complaining it may sound negative is a
>> > > good reason, i think. Also when you choose to rename it, the new
>> > > name should be significantly better than the old name, if you want
>> > > to show the confused users that it was really necessary and useful
>> > > to make the change.
>> > > >
>> > > >Just my two cents,
>> > > >Jaap
>> > > >
>> > > >Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes schreef:
>> > > >
>> > > >It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's a media
>> > > player, you know it.
>> > > >
>> > > >For people who don't, it's better if that name it is installed
>> > > under in the computer is "Music Player" or something like that. It's
>> > > easier for most people.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | Mobiel wrote:
>> > > >What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me...
>> > > >
>> > > >--
>> > > >Jaap
>> > > >
>> > > >"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef:
>> > > >
>> > > >>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen :
>> > > >>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise?
>> > > >>
>> > > >>"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the kind of
>> > > people
>> > > >>who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it AFAIK.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>--
>> > > >>Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
>> > > >>OS architect @ elementary
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>> > > >Best Regards,
>> > > >Chris Triantafillis
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
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