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[Bolesław Tokarski <boleslaw.tokarski@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello,

Thanks for the feedback, I have only seen my own environment, so good to
know it works in other places too :)

Cheers,
Ballock

On 02/08/13 19:17, David Burke wrote:
> I just got around to playing with this. These changes help is most
> situations.
>
> unattended-upgrades was able to upgrade grub without any prompt! I
> also tried hard shutting down in the middle of an upgrade - it seemed
> to recover fine. So I'm going to start using it.
>
> pam-auth-update - I've seen it silently nuke pam.d confs :( I solved
> it by ensuring pam-auth-update works when run with defaults. ie not
> just hacking pam.d files.
>
> Thanks Ballock for the advice.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Bolesław Tokarski
> <boleslaw.tokarski@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:boleslaw.tokarski@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>     Hello,
>
>     Personally, I am using unattended-upgrades. This one rarely
>     produces any pop-up. Can't say I solved the problem, though.
>
>     At one point I had a problem with cloned USB sticks containing the
>     OS. These were the LiveCD-kind, but grub was configured to install
>     in the MBR using the /dev/disk/by-id/ -style ID. Of course it
>     turned out that every USB stick has a different ID, but not until
>     there was a grub update did we notice that there is a problem. As
>     the grub package did not know where to put the updated version, it
>     prompted with a question, where the default answer was to put on
>     every MBR. That of course included the physical hard drive, where
>     people were running Windows. So that was a question that had a
>     high chance of breaking the machine.
>
>     I would suggest you to check the force-confold option to dpkg. You
>     can put it to dpkg.conf, so thus system-wide. This should dismiss
>     all or most of the configuration merge requests. Then, some
>     packages have a debconf-style question and configure the package
>     depending on the answers from those questions. Hopefully most can
>     be preseeded to hold the answer that debconf should not manage the
>     configuration of the package (I guess a good example is samba).
>     For now I still can't work around pam-auth-update, but I focused
>     on different things...
>
>     Cheers,
>     Ballock
>
>
>     On 25/06/13 20:05, David Burke wrote:
>>     Hey folks,
>>
>>     I wonder how people handle this. A good number of updates show
>>     prompts to the user asking questions beyond their understanding.
>>     For example grub or lightdm. In an enterprise these
>>     configurations might be managed. Because these conf files are
>>     different, I get many more of these questions than a stock Ubuntu
>>     install where it's much less of a problem.
>>
>>     My users are non technical and tend to click anything on prompts
>>     (including non default options). This can do damage from breaking
>>     authentication to just users getting worried and contacting IT
>>     (which adds to costs)
>>
>>     Fully automated updates done like this
>>     <http://askubuntu.com/questions/146921/how-do-i-apt-get-y-dist-upgrade-without-a-grub-config-prompt>
>>     won't ask questions - but cause instability if the user powers
>>     down during an update. If a user is aware of the update they
>>     (hopefully) won't turn the computer off suddenly.
>>
>>     Puppet mitigates some pain by ensuring configurations are changed
>>     back but users still get prompts that might worry them.
>>
>>     Ideally I'd like update manager to never ask questions under any
>>     circumstance and always use defaults.
>>
>>     Best,
>>     David Burke
>>
>>
>
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