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[Dmitriy Novakovskiy <dnovakovskiy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Sergii and Vitaly,

Thanks for pointing out the blueprint. The concept looks interesting - will
be great to see it implemented.

But I would also offer you guys to use me and a bunch of other "external to
Fuel" pairs of eyes as "guinea pigs" for UX testing.

Why? IMO, the purpose of Web UI is to serve not so much a highly-skilled
Mirantis engineer, but rather a low-to-medium-skilled Fuel downloader. And
this downloader's primary goal is to get a working OpenStack cloud,
hopefully - from first few attempts of "Deploy changes" -> "Delete
environment" sequence :).

*This brings me to 2 thoughts:*

1) Flexibility of configuration options on Web UI should not be excessive
and overwhelming.

While backend+CLI+documentation may support lots of super-flexible and
highly customized scenarios - the Web UI should not have user spending too
much time on figuring out all the endless powers that are out there (again
- thinking about Web UI user's goals).

2) Web UI should rather present user with clear "silverlining" of making
some choices (from a pre-defined "safe" list) and getting to a working cloud

*Now, how this maps to previous discussion:*

- I see a problem In the way how Networks and Wizard UIs are implemented
right now (in 5.0)

User has an opportunity to quickly add the nodes right after
"Next-Next-Next" in Wizard, hit Deploy changes - and get a cloud w/ wrong
(default) IP addresses and VLAN id's applied. He/she will simply skip doing
any work on Networks tab unless he/she knows upfront it's needed. UI won't
keep the user from making such mistake

- In order to address this I currently see 2 options for discussion:

A) Add an additional tab on Wizard sequence that will prompt user to
specify Network settings - ranges for each network, VLAN ID's, etc. All the
hints about what network does what (that I've suggested on a screenshot)
should be shown there

B) "Workaround" solution - after user presses "Finish" button in Wizard -
show a message like "Now, please enter networking settings for your cloud"
and switch the screen to Networks (instead of Nodes).

Probably this will map to a new Fuel networking setup concepts as well.
What do you think?



---
Regards,
Dmitriy


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Sergii Golovatiuk <sgolovatiuk@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Vitaly, what you tell is absolutely right. Though, I think that errors
> hints can overlap the default tips by manipulation with DOM using
> JavaScript. I think if we add this, we'll improve UI as all hints will be
> in place. Personally, I believe that tips and interactive help is much
> better than documentation, though it should be updated also.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Sergii Golovatiuk,
> Skype #golserge
> IRC #holser
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Vitaly Kramskikh <vkramskikh@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The space to the right from the input fields is taken by validation
>> errors, so it could look like this:
>>
>>
>>
>> But I don't think we need to add these hints because in the near future
>> we are going to implement advanced networking
>> <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/advanced-networking> and
>> there will be a set of predefined networks which can be renamed, new ones
>> can be added, etc. So I think it is better to keep this stuff in the docs.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-07-12 13:06 GMT+04:00 Sergii Golovatiuk <sgolovatiuk@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>
>> Hi Fuelers,
>>>
>>> Thank you Dmitry. It's a really good sample where we can improve UI.
>>> That would be really nice to add hints to Fuel UI. Though documentation
>>> should be updated also. I think the more hints we have the more user
>>> friendly Fuel is.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sergii Golovatiuk,
>>> Skype #golserge
>>> IRC #holser
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 5:09 AM, Meg McRoberts <mmcroberts@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I could certainly add this text to the docs -- we have this absolutely
>>>> hideous page in the docs:
>>>>
>>>> http://docs.mirantis.com/openstack/fuel/master/user-guide.html#network-settings
>>>> and it would
>>>> be really nice to break it up and give an explanation.  Although we do
>>>> need to do it for all four
>>>> topologies...
>>>>
>>>> We have a bit of information about Public and Floating IPs here -- it
>>>> sounds like we need to
>>>> augment that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Dmitriy Novakovskiy <
>>>> dnovakovskiy@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Fuelers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Following the previous thread I've started - I took some notes from
>>>>> the explanations that I've got around different ranges on Networks tab and
>>>>> came up with the attached sketch. Some were challenging for me to
>>>>> understand w/o a hint - Public, Internal. Probably someone who's completely
>>>>> new to OpenStack context will struggle significantly, especially if he/she
>>>>> is as lazy as I am and likes to figure out things by trying.
>>>>>
>>>>> Plz let me know if you think something like this might work for Fuel
>>>>> UI. Straight ahead it looks like overloaed with text, maybe hiding it
>>>>> behind "Show hint" link would make sense
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dmitriy
>>>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Vitaly Kramskikh,
>> Software Engineer,
>> Mirantis, Inc.
>>
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