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[Vladimir Zhbanov <vzhbanov@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 12:33:54PM +0200, Roland Lutz wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov@xxxxxxxxx) [via geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxx] wrote:
> >xorn was added into master without asking current developers
> 
> I did ask [0], and I waited a fair time for feedback before pushing things
> further.  Since the situation appeared to have come to a standstill as with
> so many proposed changes, I decided to move forward and merge the changes
> into master.
OK.
1. You haven't actually ask. You've stated 
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This introduces new dependencies on Python 2.7 and a C++ compiler.  For 
this reason, I didn't push it directly into master but into a new branch 
'home/rlutz/xorn-integration'.  You can merge it into master if the new 
dependencies are ok.
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And the next message on 16.09 was just:
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Since there haven't been any objections, I pushed it into master. 
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2. There was no separate topic about it. Since I have not enough time to
get all flood in the geda-user list, I could not read this at the
moment.
3. You appear to think developers are dead so you neither used the
developer list (OK, you had not been subscribed on it yet), nor
interested if there are any developers, nor filed a bug report on
Launchpad.

> 
> >despite of the objections
> 
> Which objections do you refer to?  You wrote[1]:

Here [3] I wrote 
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> Even John Dotty seemed to agree that we need an alternative to scheme.
Yes, yes, I could even agree ;) But not two parallel versions with new
dependencies in one repository. How to support them? How to support
cross-compiling in this case? There is another way. Let's make bindings
for various languages since gobject model allows this. Let's introduce
plugins/modules, and we already have modules in scheme.
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Here [4]
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> If a particular problem can only be solved by changing some innards,
> then so be it, but the innards change is just a side-effect.

I don't mind. Just let's do it step by step, saving all the fruit we
already have, not destroying anything in a favour of new tools.
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> 
> >I'm emerging here as an opponent to you, Roland, John Doty, Kay-Martin and
> >all others, who discourages users from trying to use new Scheme script
> >possibilities Peter Brett have added to the project
> 
> I'm definitively not discouraging people to use Scheme.  I'm also not trying
> to replace Scheme with Python as you seem to assume
...
> I'm not "working on the Python branch"; I'm trying to improve gEDA
> inside-out by giving it a solid foundation.
...
>       The easiest way to achieve this would be to write the library in C, so
> it's easy to create bindings for any language.
We already have the lib in C. Let's improve it step by step and add
necessary bindings.
...
> ... It's just that right
> now, you seem to be the only person seriously opposed to merging xorn/ into
> the main repository, and your point seems to be mainly that you prefer Guile
> to Python.  Please, take the time to understand Python and Xorn, as I did
> with Scheme and the Guile interface--it's really not as bad as you think,
> and our ultimate goals aren't that different.
Why should I? Tomorrow another user will say he/she prefers Lua and
merge his/her library into the master branch without asking us. And what
if someone decides to rewrite things in Haskel or bash 8-|

> 
> Roland
> 
> 
> [0] http://www.delorie.com/archives/browse.cgi?p=geda-user/2015/09/04/05:00:51
> [1] http://www.delorie.com/archives/browse.cgi?p=geda-user/2015/09/05/17:02:30
> [2] http://www.delorie.com/archives/browse.cgi?p=geda-user/2015/09/05/17:40:22

Thanks,
  Vladimir

[3] http://www.delorie.com/archives/browse.cgi?p=geda-user/2015/09/06/03:40:27
[4] http://www.delorie.com/archives/browse.cgi?p=geda-user/2015/09/06/03:52:34