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[Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Wayne,

With these changes:

“Footprint Library Wizard” and “Footprint Library Table” are environmental settings so they belong under Preferences, not Setup.  That (and moving “User Defined Grid…”) should make it short enough not to need the nested menu for Dimensions.

I still feel strongly that “User Defined Grid…” belongs in the View menu under “Show Grid” (and should be renamed “Grid Settings…”).

Same for “Interactive Routing…” moving to the Route menu (and perhaps becoming “Router Settings…”).  Context (putting things that are used together near each other) is more important than taxonomy (arranging by logical grouping).

For a drop-down menu, the first item is the hardest to select while the second is the easiest.  So for Inspect I’d suggest:

Inspect
   List Nets
   Measure
   ——————————
   Design Rules Checker

I’m ready to go with it.  I haven’t heard back from Michael yet, and I don’t know what his turn-around time is.   He’s been pretty responsive so far, though.

I could also make the changes, but I don’t want to step on his stuff….

Cheers,
Jeff.



> On 16 Feb 2018, at 15:38, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Gentlemen,
> 
> Where do we stand on this?  I would like to get this into rc1 if
> possible just to reduce long term maintenance issues.  Once I branch
> version 5, all patches have to be merged from the development branch to
> the version 5 branch so it makes more work for me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 2/15/2018 3:42 PM, Michael Kavanagh wrote:
>> Thanks for that Orson, and sorry for causing so much confusion everyone.
>> Lesson learnt. Also thanks Jeff for helping with the dialog change.
>> 
>> I'll pause for feedback and we can address the rest of the patches one
>> by one. For context here is what I suggest:
>> 
>>  * File: as per 0003-Fix-up-file-menu-and-hotkeys.patch
>>  * View: see 0006-Add-missing-items-to-view-menu-and-improve.patch
>>  * Setup: collect project/pcb specific settings into this menu
>>      o Layers Setup...
>>      o Design Rules...
>>      o -------------------
>>      o Footprint Library Wizard
>>      o Footprint Library Table
>>      o -------------------
>>      o Dimensions
>>          + User Defined Grid...
>>          + Text and Drawings...
>>          + Default Pad Properties...
>>          + Pads to Mask Clearance...
>>          + Differential Pairs...
>>  * Place: as per 0005-Add-missing-tools-to-menubar.patch
>>      o Footprint
>>      o Via
>>      o Zone
>>      o Keepout Area
>>      o Text
>>      o Arc
>>      o Circle
>>      o Lines
>>      o Polygons
>>      o ------------
>>      o Dimension
>>      o Layer Alignment Target
>>      o ------------
>>      o Drill and Place Offset
>>      o Grid Origin
>>  * Route: leave as is
>>  * Inspect: created in 0005-Add-missing-tools-to-menubar.patch
>>    containing just Measure tool, add
>>      o Design Rules Checker
>>      o ---------------
>>      o Measure
>>      o List nets
>>  * Tools
>>      o
>> 
>>  * Preferences: reserved for suite/application settings eg
>>      o Paths
>>      o Display settings...
>>      o Icons
>>      o Languages
>>  * Help
>> 
>> Hopefully this provides some context/alleviates some confusion. With
>> what I suggest menu bar items follow a logical design flow:
>> Setup -> Place -> Route -> Inspect
>> Obviously, real life is never so perfect...
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Michael
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 February 2018 at 19:42, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> 
>>    It appears in this case that they are being used as hotkeys rather than
>>    menu accelerators so no change is necessary.
>> 
>>    On 2/15/2018 11:40 AM, Maciej Sumiński wrote:
>>> Hi Wayne,
>>> 
>>> I am not sure if there is an issue, I think cut/copy/paste are genuine
>>> hotkeys and not just accelerators, unless you have something else in
>>> mind. In any case, I have committed patch 0002 as is it was sent here.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Orson
>>> 
>>> On 02/15/2018 05:31 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>>>> Orson,
>>>> 
>>>> Did you fix the IS_ACCELERATOR issue in patch 0002 when calling
>>>> AddHotkeyName()?
>>>> 
>>>> Wayne
>>>> 
>>>> On 2/15/2018 11:00 AM, Maciej Sumiński wrote:
>>>>> To reduce the discussion scope, I have committed the obvious
>>    improvements:
>>>>> 0001-Fix-spelling-error.patch
>>>>> 0002-Improve-edit-menu-and-use-common-hotkeys.patch
>>>>> 0004-Remove-duplicate-track-menu-item.patch
>>>>> 
>>>>> To be discussed:
>>>>> 0003-Fix-up-file-menu-and-hotkeys.patch
>>>>> 0005-Add-missing-tools-to-menubar.patch
>>>>> 0006-Add-missing-items-to-view-menu-and-improve.patch
>>>>> 0007-Remove-duplicate-menu-item.patch
>>>>> 
>>>>> 0005-Grid-dialog-changes-to-go-along-with-menu-changes.patch (Jeff)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Orson
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 02/15/2018 02:46 PM, Michael Kavanagh wrote:
>>>>>> Was this what you meant?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 15 February 2018 at 11:15, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>    <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Only thing I found wrong was that you have Sketch & Wireframe
>>    zones
>>>>>>> backwards:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Wireframe == ID_TB_OPTIONS_SHOW_ZONES_DISABLE
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sketch == ID_TB_OPTIONS_SHOW_ZONES_OUTLINES_ONLY
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On the opinion side, the Inspect menu is growing on me.  So if
>>    no one else
>>>>>>> has objections to it, then I’ll shut up. ;)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Jeff.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 15 Feb 2018, at 01:00, Michael Kavanagh
>>    <michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Lets start with these for now. Patches address a spelling
>>    error in the
>>>>>>> code, edit, file and view menus, removes duplicate items and
>>    adds missing
>>>>>>> tools.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Please let me know your comments.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 14 February 2018 at 21:55, Michael Kavanagh
>>    <michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Okay thanks. Also I think I messed up even the simple first
>>    patch (git
>>>>>>>> n00b over here). Please await an updated patch set.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 14 February 2018 at 21:30, Wayne Stambaugh
>>    <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> For future reference, please try to avoid posting a large
>>    patch set like
>>>>>>>>> this.  I makes it difficult to comment on them without the
>>    email thread
>>>>>>>>> quickly becoming difficult to follow.  Also, please make an
>>    announcement
>>>>>>>>> on the mailing when making substantial changes like this. 
>>    You could
>>>>>>>>> have gotten the feedback first which would have saved you
>>    some work.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Wayne
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 2/13/2018 5:46 PM, Michael Kavanagh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I tried to fix up the Pcbnew menu bar a bit so its more
>>    "standards
>>>>>>>>>> complaint" with regards to UI and also include options
>>    where there are
>>>>>>>>>> toolbar buttons but no menu bar item.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Tried to keep commits small, hence number of patches.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>> 
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