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[Barry Warsaw <barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

= ReviewerMeeting20090826 =

== summary ==

 * we need to find a way to allow outside contributors to run branches through ec2
 * we need to open up lp-dev-utils project

== logs ==

=== ameu ===

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26-08-2009 10:00:57 > barry: #startmeeting
26-08-2009 10:00:58 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is barry.
26-08-2009 10:00:58 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
26-08-2009 10:01:16 > barry: hello everyone and welcome to this week's ameu launchpad reviewer's meeting. who's here today?
26-08-2009 10:01:18 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: me
26-08-2009 10:01:19 < gmb!n=gmb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: me
26-08-2009 10:01:20 < EdwinGrubbs!n=egrubbs@canonical/launchpad/edwingrubbs: me
26-08-2009 10:01:23 < noodles775!n=miken@canonical/launchpad/noodles775: me
26-08-2009 10:01:31 < bac!n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac: me
26-08-2009 10:01:31 < deryck!n=deryck@samba/team/deryck: me
26-08-2009 10:01:40 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: me
26-08-2009 10:01:59 < cprov!n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov: me
26-08-2009 10:02:31 < henninge!n=henning@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: me
26-08-2009 10:02:32 < jtv!n=jtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: me
26-08-2009 10:02:58 > barry: adeuring, leonardr, salgado ping
26-08-2009 10:03:02 < danilos!n=danilo@canonical/launchpad/danilos: me
26-08-2009 10:03:06 > barry: mars and sinzui send their apologies
26-08-2009 10:03:08 < salgado!n=salgado@canonical/launchpad/salgado: me
26-08-2009 10:03:11 < adeuring!n=abel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: whoops, me
26-08-2009 10:03:14 -!- mbarnett!n=mbarnett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx has joined #launchpad-meeting
26-08-2009 10:03:39 > barry: allenap: ping
26-08-2009 10:03:42 < leonardr!n=leonardr@canonical/launchpad/leonardr: ping
26-08-2009 10:03:52 > barry: [TOPIC] agenda
26-08-2009 10:03:53 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic:  agenda
26-08-2009 10:04:00 > barry:  * Roll call
26-08-2009 10:04:00 > barry:  * Action items
26-08-2009 10:04:00 > barry:  * UI review call update
26-08-2009 10:04:00 > barry:  * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
26-08-2009 10:04:03 > barry:  
26-08-2009 10:04:06 > barry:  
26-08-2009 10:04:10 > barry: [TOPIC] action items
26-08-2009 10:04:11 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic:  action items
26-08-2009 10:04:19 > barry:  * beuno to add a 'ui' specialty to ReviewerSchedule
26-08-2009 10:04:28 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: did not do it  :(
26-08-2009 10:04:30 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: will do today
26-08-2009 10:04:32 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: PROMISE
26-08-2009 10:04:41 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: me
26-08-2009 10:05:00 > barry: beuno: thanks!  i was asked at our standup who our mentors and mentats were and i just can't remember ;)
26-08-2009 10:05:13 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: UI mentor, just me for now
26-08-2009 10:05:18 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: I will graduate people
26-08-2009 10:05:32 > barry: cool
26-08-2009 10:05:50 > barry:  * gary_poster and barry will transfer review guidelines from the old wiki and old old wiki to the new wiki
26-08-2009 10:05:56 > barry: not done
26-08-2009 10:06:05 > barry: i will work on this this week
26-08-2009 10:06:16 > barry: [TOPIC]  * UI review call update
26-08-2009 10:06:17 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic:   * UI review call update
26-08-2009 10:06:25 > barry: beuno: do you want to give an update?
26-08-2009 10:06:55 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: so
26-08-2009 10:07:00 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: we continued to talk about what works and what doesn't
26-08-2009 10:07:12 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: and I have a lot of notes that I need to update the wiki with
26-08-2009 10:08:40 > barry: beuno: how well do you think reviews are going these days?  how is ui 3.0 shaping up?
26-08-2009 10:08:59 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: I think they are going very well
26-08-2009 10:09:02 -!- intellectronica!n=tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx has joined #launchpad-meeting
26-08-2009 10:09:15 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: and that 3.0 is shaping up much better than I expected
26-08-2009 10:09:15 < intellectronica!n=tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: me
26-08-2009 10:09:29 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: developers are very involved in taking decisions
26-08-2009 10:09:46 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: the navigation changes are in place, which is a big one
26-08-2009 10:10:24 > barry: beuno: do you think we're going to hit our ui 3.0 deadline?
26-08-2009 10:10:46 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: barry, I don't think well hit 100% of the pages for Sept
26-08-2009 10:10:49 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: but pretty close
26-08-2009 10:11:35 > barry: cool.  beuno anything else, or does anybody have any other questions or issues about ui reviews?
26-08-2009 10:13:42 > barry: okay, moving on...
26-08-2009 10:13:48 > barry: [TOPIC] peanut gallery
26-08-2009 10:13:49 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic:  peanut gallery
26-08-2009 10:14:01 > barry: any other topics not on the agenda?
26-08-2009 10:15:04 > barry: 5
26-08-2009 10:15:06 > barry: 4
26-08-2009 10:15:09 > barry: 3
26-08-2009 10:15:12 > barry: 2
26-08-2009 10:15:14 > barry: 1
26-08-2009 10:15:32 > barry: cool.  thanks everyone, and thanks for all the great reviewing everyone's doing.
26-08-2009 10:15:34 > barry: #endmeeting
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=== asiapac ===

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26-08-2009 18:54:05 > barry: #startmeeting
26-08-2009 18:54:06 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Meeting started at 17:54. The chair is barry.
26-08-2009 18:54:06 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
26-08-2009 18:54:27 > barry: jml, thumper, rockstar, mwhudson hi! welcome to this week's asiapac reviewer's meeting.  how are you guys doing?
26-08-2009 18:54:31 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: here
26-08-2009 18:54:40 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: hello
26-08-2009 18:54:41 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: ni!
26-08-2009 18:54:44 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: hello
26-08-2009 18:54:44 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: I'm well thank you
26-08-2009 18:54:55 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: rockstar, when did you move to asiapac?
26-08-2009 18:55:00 < * mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson is under an email molehill rather than a mountain
26-08-2009 18:55:04 > barry: jml: settling into your new position yet?
26-08-2009 18:55:25 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, "settling", hmm not quite
26-08-2009 18:55:28 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: New position?
26-08-2009 18:55:34 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, I'm more like a pioneer on my long trek west
26-08-2009 18:55:39 > barry: rockstar: joined us here a few weeks ago
26-08-2009 18:55:41 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, to borrow a myth from your country :)
26-08-2009 18:55:45 > barry: :)
26-08-2009 18:56:01 > barry: wgrant: welcome!
26-08-2009 18:56:07 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: jml, this way, I can get my morning chores done in the morning.
26-08-2009 18:56:23 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: Morning barry.
26-08-2009 18:56:42 > barry: so... not much really to speak of in the ameu meeting
26-08-2009 18:57:17 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: wgrant, the public announcement should come out soon
26-08-2009 18:57:19 > barry: beuno updated the ReviewerSchedule page with the ui mentats
26-08-2009 18:57:59 > barry: beuno is the only full fledged ui reviewer but he is going to do some graduations soon
26-08-2009 18:58:10 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: barry: anything happen in reviewer meeting land in the last 3 weeks?
26-08-2009 18:58:20 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: barry: jml and i haven't been here
26-08-2009 18:58:29 > barry: mwhudson: not much really.  we've been having very short meetings in both timezones
26-08-2009 18:58:41 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: barry: hooray
26-08-2009 18:59:13 > barry: so, i'll just open up the floor.  what's on y'all's mind today? 
26-08-2009 18:59:29 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: "gosh, we get a lot of email"
26-08-2009 19:00:14 > barry: mwhudson: heh
26-08-2009 19:00:30 > * barry laughs when he hears of people complaining about a few hundred messages a day
26-08-2009 19:00:51 < * jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml thinks...
26-08-2009 19:01:11 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: any feedback from non-Canonical contributors about the review process?
26-08-2009 19:01:23 > * barry looks at wgrant
26-08-2009 19:01:33 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: i guess i can take the opportunity to do a little survey
26-08-2009 19:01:42 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: barry: Working well for me.
26-08-2009 19:02:14 > barry: i'll just say again that it is /fantastic/ to see yours and others from the community landing branches
26-08-2009 19:02:28 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: It's great to finally be able to!
26-08-2009 19:03:05 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: as build engineer for the next cycle, what's causing you, the developer, the most pain?
26-08-2009 19:03:07 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: My only slight issue is that sponsors are often unclear on how to do things.
26-08-2009 19:03:10 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: Is this not documented?
26-08-2009 19:03:24 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: mwhudson: 'build engineer'?
26-08-2009 19:03:34 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: wasn't that announcement on launchpad-dev!
26-08-2009 19:03:48 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: No. We don't find anything out.
26-08-2009 19:03:50 > barry: wgrant: can you elaborate?
26-08-2009 19:03:58 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: bah
26-08-2009 19:04:06 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: and the wiki page is internal
26-08-2009 19:04:12 < * jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml frowns
26-08-2009 19:04:14 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: still learning at this sort of thing it seems :)
26-08-2009 19:04:44 > barry: yep.  old habits die hard, but we're really trying to move more and more resources, communications, etc. into the public square
26-08-2009 19:04:51 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: barry: Well, some of my sponsors have had trouble working out how to ec2test my branches. I'm not sure why.
26-08-2009 19:05:09 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: What was this email meant to contain?
26-08-2009 19:05:25 > barry: mwhudson: we really should find a way for non-Canonicals to run ec2
26-08-2009 19:05:27 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: we're going to have a build engineer position
26-08-2009 19:05:34 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: barry: +inf
26-08-2009 19:05:35 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: it's a rotating postiition
26-08-2009 19:05:51 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: "Each development cycle, a different engineer will be taken off his normal development duty, and have has main focus for the cycle the development and well being of the build system. "
26-08-2009 19:05:52 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: the build engineer works on making developers lives more pleasant, essentially
26-08-2009 19:06:03 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: Aha. I see.
26-08-2009 19:06:15 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: i'm the first one, starting officially on monday
26-08-2009 19:06:17 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: mwhudson, in answer to your question
26-08-2009 19:06:26 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: i'm probably going to tackle some buildbot annoyances first
26-08-2009 19:06:36 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: jml: you sent me an email about this that i haven't read yet :)
26-08-2009 19:06:46 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: mwhudson: Bonus points for making it public.
26-08-2009 19:06:57 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: wgrant: yeah, that should be possible
26-08-2009 19:07:01 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: mwhudson, my email wasn't so much about my pain points, actually :)
26-08-2009 19:08:00 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: mwhudson, it takes way too long to land branches; buildbot should only send emails that require action; test failures in devel break ec2test runs
26-08-2009 19:08:08 > barry: jml, mwhudson what is the main hold up to allowing the public to run ec2?  is it the payment issue?
26-08-2009 19:08:24 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: barry: i imagine so
26-08-2009 19:08:41 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: also ec2test is still private i think, but that will change soon (?)
26-08-2009 19:09:05 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: mwhudson, not a pain point for me, but one I've had to watch: it takes too long to get set up with a dev env
26-08-2009 19:09:46 > barry: surely we can find a way to subsidize the ec2 costs.  it's gotta be trivial in the scheme of things.  i usually feel guilty expensing it every quarter
26-08-2009 19:09:48 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: mwhudson, the main meta issue is that it's really hard to see what the status of various build-related projects are (e.g. buildbot going public, ec2test going public, etc)
26-08-2009 19:10:17 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: barry, when we have a UEC set up in the data center, it might be easier.  *shrug*
26-08-2009 19:10:27 > barry: rockstar: good point
26-08-2009 19:10:33 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: jml: i think A build engineer, though probably not me, should focus on getting buildbot running the test suite in parallel across several instances
26-08-2009 19:10:45 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: mwhudson, I very strongly agree.
26-08-2009 19:11:13 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: mwhudson, abentley and I had a discussion about test layers today, and whether or not we're really using the layers properly.
26-08-2009 19:11:45 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: I find I spend a lot of time setting up and tearing down the test harnesses just to run one test (that usually runs in shorter time than set up or tear down.
26-08-2009 19:11:51 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: rockstar: i would claim that using layers correctly is close to impossible, but maybe that's a bit bigoted
26-08-2009 19:12:07 > barry: rockstar: i can almost bet we're not.  the layers are horribly named and it is not intuitive to know what layer a test should go in
26-08-2009 19:12:39 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: rockstar: there's also the terrible way we start daemons in tests, that doesn't help
26-08-2009 19:12:40 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: barry, yeah, GoogleServiceLayer and LibrarianLayer were two we identified as not really necessary for most of our tests.
26-08-2009 19:12:41 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: switching to testresources would help here
26-08-2009 19:12:47 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: +1 jml
26-08-2009 19:12:50 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: I'm a little terrified about the work involved
26-08-2009 19:12:52 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: jml, +1
26-08-2009 19:12:55 > barry: rockstar: and they take a long time to start
26-08-2009 19:13:04 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: but maybe if we actually explored what needed to happen, it would be less terrifying
26-08-2009 19:13:08 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: barry, yeah, which is basically what I spent much of yesterday doing.
26-08-2009 19:13:11 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: librarian takes forever!
26-08-2009 19:13:37 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: wgrant, indeed.
26-08-2009 19:13:37 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: wgrant, this morning it took 15.391 seconds to start up, and 7.3 seconds to tear down the librarian.
26-08-2009 19:13:48 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: mwhudson, so, that's not really a survey, since it's just me :)
26-08-2009 19:14:13 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: rockstar: It's about twice as fast here, most of the time.
26-08-2009 19:14:25 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: mwhudson, really, if I had a pony request, it'd be a graph for how long the test suite is taking, and maybe some mini graphs of different sections of the test.
26-08-2009 19:14:27 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: for all that, step 1 is still going to be force build on buildbot
26-08-2009 19:14:34 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: rockstar: that's a good idea
26-08-2009 19:14:58 < * jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml agrees -- it's in an email I sent :)
26-08-2009 19:15:10 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: jml, dammit.  You and your organization...
26-08-2009 19:15:33 -!- mbarnett!n=mbarnett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx has quit ["Leaving"]
26-08-2009 19:15:42 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: Do we have a place to aggregate all of these ideas?
26-08-2009 19:15:47 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: exactly!
26-08-2009 19:16:00 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: jml, did you send an email about that too?
26-08-2009 19:16:07 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: I was about to say, step 0 should really be tracking this.
26-08-2009 19:16:11 > barry: rockstar: like a wiki? <wink>
26-08-2009 19:16:14 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: rockstar, it was in the same email as the graph stuff :)
26-08-2009 19:16:29 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: barry, wikis are TERRIBLE issue trackers.
26-08-2009 19:16:30 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, or, umm, a bug tracker.
26-08-2009 19:16:38 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, I've got this good one I can sell you
26-08-2009 19:16:46 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: I know these really great guys who spend a lot of time writing a bug tracker...
26-08-2009 19:16:49 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: step -1: move BE wiki pages to dev.lp.net
26-08-2009 19:16:53 > barry: :)
26-08-2009 19:17:00 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: mwhudson, \o/
26-08-2009 19:17:12 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: step 0: a tag in launchpad-project, i guess
26-08-2009 19:17:35 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: Maybe a product in launchpad-project.
26-08-2009 19:17:38 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: Wouldn't a separate product be much better?
26-08-2009 19:17:53 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: rockstar, wgrant, maaybe
26-08-2009 19:18:10 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: I don't think that the way Launchpad uses products is the way Launchpad wants others to use products though
26-08-2009 19:18:26 < * jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml makes a note about that
26-08-2009 19:18:26 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: No.
26-08-2009 19:18:30 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: But this one is different.
26-08-2009 19:19:10 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: wgrant, yeah, I think so too, but I'm not sure how it's different.
26-08-2009 19:19:27 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: jml: It's not part of the codebase.
26-08-2009 19:19:37 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: wgrant, some of the bugs are in the code base
26-08-2009 19:19:38 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: Most of the other products are.
26-08-2009 19:19:40 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: Hmm.
26-08-2009 19:19:48 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: wgrant, but a subproduct would fit there, I guess
26-08-2009 19:20:11 < * mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson writes another thing down, "make sure buildbot config is in a branch or two on launchpad"
26-08-2009 19:20:16 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: the secret, proprietary project with all of our developer utilities might well belong as a public sub-project of Launchpad
26-08-2009 19:20:35 > barry: jml: +1
26-08-2009 19:20:45 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: jml: lp-dev-utils, or is there something else?
26-08-2009 19:20:52 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: wgrant, lp-dev-utils, yes.
26-08-2009 19:21:10 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: wgrant, that is, I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of said project...
26-08-2009 19:21:26 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: Heh.
26-08-2009 19:21:42 < * wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant whines about the product/project/project/projectgroup confusion.
26-08-2009 19:21:50 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: patches accepted :)
26-08-2009 19:22:02 > barry: wgrant: beuno just today told me i could jfdi (rename those things :)
26-08-2009 19:22:14 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: either that, or sabotage barry's bass so he gets some more free time
26-08-2009 19:22:23 > barry: jml: that is so cruel
26-08-2009 19:22:27 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: Heh.
26-08-2009 19:22:46 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: wgrant, all you need to do is add an extra string -- it'll baffle him
26-08-2009 19:22:49 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, <3
26-08-2009 19:23:04 > barry: jml: ouch :)
26-08-2009 19:23:09 > barry: does that mean we're done here?
26-08-2009 19:23:13 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: I think so.
26-08-2009 19:23:34 > barry: wgrant, rockstar, mwhudson anything else?
26-08-2009 19:23:45 < * wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant can think of nothing more to whinge about.
26-08-2009 19:24:12 > barry: 5
26-08-2009 19:24:12 > barry: 4
26-08-2009 19:24:14 > barry: 3
26-08-2009 19:24:15 > barry: 2
26-08-2009 19:24:18 > barry: 1
26-08-2009 19:24:21 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: Thunderbirds are go!
26-08-2009 19:24:21 > barry: #endmeeting
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