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[David Planella <david.planella@xxxxxxxxxx>]

El dc 17 de 11 de 2010 a les 23:59 -0800, en/na Clint Byrum va escriure:
> On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 13:49 +1100, Martin Pool wrote:
> > On 17 November 2010 03:59, Jonathan Lange <jml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Lucian Adrian Grijincu
> > > <lucian.grijincu@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Those of you who have contributed to Stack Exchange sites like
> > >> askubuntu.com or stackoverflow.com may have noticed how little things
> > >> like badges and notifications when new points unlock new
> > >> functionalities bring users back and provide an incentive by
> > >> themselves to contribute.
> > > ...
> > >> Any thoughts on this?
> > >>
> > >
> > > I think that it's a good idea, on the whole. Rob's cautions about
> > > wanting to encourage meaningful contribution over and above activity
> > > are spot on, but I don't think they are deal breakers.
> > >
> > > Are you interested in actually implementing this?
> > 
> > Personally I'd like to see karma deleted altogether, or at least to
> > have the numbers hidden, because it focuses attention on a meaningless
> > number.  (A simple 'most active in x, y, z' could be worthwhile.)
> > Much as was discussed with polls, it disappoints users that it's not
> > fair and accurate, and it takes developer time.  However, even
> > removing it takes time.
> > 
> 
> Right, the "karma" number isn't really fair or appealing as it seeks to
> homogenize contributions into a single value which means very little.
> 

Not debating the goodness of badges here, but there are areas of
contribution where participants do care about karma, not as a single
value, but as a measure of the work they do in the area they care about.

As an example, translators often follow the top contributors page and
take a pride in being there:

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+topcontributors

That does not necessarily mean that we encourage quantity over quality
(in Ubuntu, for example, we obviously do the contrary), but at least
people seem to be happy about karma in translations, and I'm sure in
other areas as well.

Also this data is also useful in other sites to highlight good work in
different areas of contribution:

http://hall-of-fame.ubuntu.com/

Regards,
David.

> Badges only work on simple, measurable actions, and are a lot more fun.
> 
> "Aspiring Architect -- Created 1 blueprint."
> "Gold Star -- Edited any text field."
> "Bug Hugger Bronze -- Touched 10 bugs. Silver at 50."
> "Bug Zapper Bronze -- Closed 10 bugs as Invalid. Silver at 50."
> 
> Is a lot more appealing to people, as it has a clear value to anyone who
> sees it. They're really only for the recipient though, as a source of
> pride and instant feedback on what they've accomplished thus far.
> 
> > The thing here I would like to focus on is _notifications_, which is
> > within the website to say "other people acted on things you care
> > about".
> > 
> 
> So far subscriptions do well with that. Anything noisier and I think my
> INBOX will start to cry. ;) What thing on launchpad *isn't* working that
> way?
> 
> 
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