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[amjjawad HOOHAA <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx>]

There is no "huge problem" to begin with :)
ALL what we were saying is that The Wiki Area (which I've been told it
should be the main source of our information) need to be maintained and
organized even better.

I'm against to remove materials UNLESS there is a duplication. I'm WITH
updating and organize the whole thing. Plus, I wish there is a dedicated
team who will take good care of that area.

I recall once Julien mentioned that the Wiki Area is on his to-do list.

Everyone can actually contribute to the Wiki Area. I wish our Wiki could be
as strong as Arch's Wiki Pages. Fedora Documentation system is great too.
How can we achieve that? working as a team and each member of this team has
something specific to do. This is my humble opinion.

As for me not liking it, that's my personal opinion about it and I have
mentioned why I don't. However, I will never vote against it as it's a MUST
have area. Just trying to be extra clear and hope there will be no
misunderstanding.

Phill has done and still doing a great job, no doubt about it but I don't
prefer to leave him alone, we must all support him. Not only Phill, we must
support each other in anything and everything.

Thank you :)



On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I honestly don't see a huge problem. I find the documentation to be
> adequate. Of course in some instances the official Ubuntu documentation
> works for both Ubuntu and Lubuntu, other times not so much.
>
> I think it's also fair to say that we must still rely on LXDE's own
> documentation for many things, and let's not forget that we're very young
> as a legitimate child of Ubuntu/Canonical ;^)
>
> I suspect we'll garner more support from the Canonical devs as time goes
> along but some patience is needed. I know everyone is doing their best :^)
>
> I'd personally defer to Phill W on this, if he's available. He helped
> bring us to the point of acceptance into the Canonical family and his voice
> means a lot to me.
>
> As always, thanks to everyone for everything they do,
>
> Lance
>
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 12/4/11, amjjawad HOOHAA <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>
>
> From: amjjawad HOOHAA <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Sun/Oracle Java
> To: "lubuntu-desktop" <lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 5:31 PM
>
>
> I do agree with all what have been said/written.
>
> With all the honesty in the world, I don't like the Wiki Pages.
> Why?
>
> 1- I've been told it MUST be the main source of our information while
> there are LOTS of missing information already, NOT to mention it is not
> organized nor up to date.
>
> 2- One can't find what he/she is looking for easily.
>
> 3- The whole structure is bad IMHO.
>
> 4- When I tried to contribute to the Wiki Area, I have heard NOTHING but
> bad negative and rude attitude so I decided NOT to touch it any more and
> take care of Ubuntu Forum as that is where I belong.
>
> 5- There is NO dedicated team to maintain our Wiki
>
> Perhaps these are the main reasons.
>
> Again, to be honest, I have another thoughts and different approaches and
> I'm having hard time to explain myself over and over again. Thus, I have
> decided weeks ago to remain silent and do my job quietly.
> I'm doing well on the forum and I'll keep it up, period.
> I have so much plans to help Lubuntu Users on the Froum. Writing guides
> and more.
>
> I couldn't remain silent anymore.
>
> I can't deny I do have my own style that is different big time than
> everyone's style in this team but since this is a Team Work more than
> anything else, I'm trying my best to learn more about this team, even more
> than learning about Lubuntu which I breath daily.
>
> I'm here as always and ready to help and take our Wiki to the next step
> but WE do need to talk and discuss, period.
>
> :)
>
> Excuse my approach, I just couldn't resist.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:56 AM, ∅ <maps.backward@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=maps.backward@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
>
>
> On 12/04/2011 02:26 PM, Yorvyk wrote:
> > On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 07:43:15 +1000
> > Jared Norris <jrnorris@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=jrnorris@xxxxxxxxx>>
> wrote:
> >> On 5 December 2011 06:17, amjjawad HOOHAA <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx>>
> wrote:
> >>> So, again, please double check this:
> >>>
> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html
> >>> and if necessary, update this:
> >>>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Some_Java_applications_don.27t_work.2C_I_want_proprietary_Oracle_Java
> >> This is the very big problem I see with having a separate FAQ to the
> >> main information on the wiki. Unless it's specific to Lubuntu I really
> >> don't see why it should exist on our FAQ area at all. All this does is
> >> duplicate information AND reduce the number of people working on a
> >> topic. This is a perfect example because the proper Java page [0] was
> >> updated a while ago to reflect the changes.
> >>
> >> So my opinion is, unless it's specific to Lubuntu we should contribute
> >> and rely on the community documentation for *Ubuntu instead of trying
> >> to carve out our own little niche that will easily be out of date and
> >> hard to maintain with fewer resources. (To answer your question my
> >> suggestion would be to remove the java section altogether, if you HAVE
> >> to have something, link to the main page for Java).
> >>
> >> [0] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
> > Couldn't agree more Jared.  Repeating the same information over and over
> in different places is not helpful.  Users who aren't quite sure what their
> problem is end up 'not seeing the wood for the trees.'  This is the sort of
> thing a decent index is helps with.
> to me, this begs the question of why we have a FAQ at all. there's no
> reason there shouldn't be an LXDE-specific section to the general
> "Ubuntu" wiki as it is relevant to LXDE. how many people have you come
> across that run LXDE in Ubuntu rather than doing Lubuntu? it's often a
> gateway to officially making the switch.
>
> my problem with the "main" wiki is that it is often so GNOME-centric,
> it's not always apparent whether or not something is truly applicable to
> Lubuntu. so if we updated it for Lubuntu, there would be ONE place to go.
>
> always the revolutionary,
> wxl/walter
>
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