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[mohi <mohanchml@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Phill,

I think I can undo my last vote and vote for staying under freenode.

The reason for the change in mind is because I am not finding answers for
some questions.

I would like to get some answers if they are there.

1) Why was the "invited lubuntu OP" kicked out of Ubuntu -op channel?
2) In some of the lines, they are kinda forcing people to step down. "the
main attractive line is "

We're not hijacking a project. The project is asking to be managed by
the IRC team, so they have to play by our rules.

If they don't want to, they can feel free to not be a core channel."


So, they are not trying to help the project and they just want the lubuntu
team to surrender?
3)Why are they not even taking us on probation, though they can revert
whatever we do. And also, When one is interested in serving for community
and stay, how will he/she be doing bad stuff? Especially to the council at
the time of probation?
4) Do we ask for a shortcut to become ubuntu -ops?? We are already
maintaining the channel, where we opped -ops even before they know our
existence.
And the comment we got on our back is "

because some people want to skip the application process wholesale
from my undertanding"

5) Also, they are questioning that we are not the real lubuntu team and we
have self chosen to be here.
6) They also mentioned that the channel is inactive. I think there is no
need for me to prove its activeness.

The above stated points made me revert my vote to stay with freenode.

I think you will re-consider my vote.

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 6:13 PM, mohi <mohanchml@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Phill,
>
> First of all, I am not happy in the way they talked about the people who
> were opped already. As there are majority against giving OP to the people
> here(including me), I don't feel happy to enter into -irc council.
>
> Also, I don't want Lubuntu to find a block from becoming an Official OS.
> So, I am stepping down from the powers given to me in the channel.
>
> I do have respect in the irc council. But it will be great if they give
> chance for the people who have managed to keep the channel in peace and who
> had fun together.
>
> All I can tell to the other lubuntu ops is that, even if we get the rights
> to join the irc ops group, it will be like having someone with us, stabbing
> on the back.
>
> So Phill,
>             I vote for "Move to irc council and step down from lubuntu
> ops".
>
> I am not happy with their decision of stopping us from becoming official
> until we accept and step down.Kindly remove me from the ops.
>
> For irc-ops,
>
> Whomever seeing this, Kindly make a note that your words can hurt every
> others who you didn't even come under the points you have mentioned in the
> meeting.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Phill Whiteside <phillw@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> as some you may know, and others may not. There has been some dissent
>> amongst the ranks.
>>
>> I'll do it from sort of Day one.. those who know the history, please skip!
>>
>> 1) #lubuntu was created
>> 2) #lubuntu-offtopic was created
>> 3) I was made a founder for both - well, just to shut up our existing
>> founders who delegated things to me.
>> 4) There was an issue with an up-stream project that went all the way to
>> ubuntu council, during that I was approached by ubuntu-irc-council to ask if
>> they could have 'OP' access. This I did.
>>
>> So what ... you ask... Well, ubuntu-irc-council are the 1st area to ever
>> knock lubuntu back. Every other team & council has welcomed us warmly. Have
>> a read of...
>>
>>
>> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-08-11.01.moin.txt
>>
>> I'm the one who is 'difficult' and then for them to state our methodology
>> of bringing on OP's is flawed... I'm very sorry, but we all were here before
>> ubuntu-irc-council when they were not interested and we were welcomed by the
>> freenode staff if we had an issue (dead easy to see, look at the permissions
>> for both).
>>
>> I see this as 'power-grab' by them, to inflate their egos. I ask... why
>> does no one 'wear a badge' on our channels? It is because freenode caution
>> against it. Why do they wear badges in violation of best practices?
>>
>> As they cannot and will not assimilate lubuntu into their 'conquered
>> territory', I ask that we remain directly reportable to freenode until and
>> unless ubuntu-irc-council accept us and our OP's who are voted up by
>> ourselves for work they do on IRC.
>>
>> But, regardless of my views on the matter, the vote is
>>
>> 1) Stay with freenode
>> 2) move to ubuntu irc council.
>>
>> Please do have a read and a think before casting your vote. I am but a
>> mouthpiece for lubuntu, i am not a boss. None of us are.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>>
>>
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