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[Julien Lavergne <gilir@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Phill,

I read quickly the IRC meeting, I'll try to summarize to see if I
understand right :
- #lubuntu aims to become a core chan, like any other official chan.
- This move requires that all ops (operators with rights to ban etc ...)
on #lubuntu move to core IRC team, which mean they have also rights on
other chans
- Some IRC members disagree because no ops of Lubuntu chan passed by the
official process to become core ops.

Well, I understand their point of view. If we want #lubuntu to be like
others official chans, we need to follow the process. I'm agree that the
manner is not very nice, and it's weird that people can't only have
rights to some specific chans.

However, I'll let people who work on IRC made the decision. If you are
not comfortable to work with IRC council, can we stay just like we are now ?
If some of you are OK to start the process and work with them, I'll be
glad to add my support to them. It will be a step in their direction, so
they can't argue that we are all against them.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


Le 10/10/2011 01:44 PM, Phill Whiteside a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> as some you may know, and others may not. There has been some dissent
> amongst the ranks. 
>
> I'll do it from sort of Day one.. those who know the history, please skip!
>
> 1) #lubuntu was created
> 2) #lubuntu-offtopic was created
> 3) I was made a founder for both - well, just to shut up our existing
> founders who delegated things to me.
> 4) There was an issue with an up-stream project that went all the way
> to ubuntu council, during that I was approached by ubuntu-irc-council
> to ask if they could have 'OP' access. This I did.
>
> So what ... you ask... Well, ubuntu-irc-council are the 1st area to
> ever knock lubuntu back. Every other team & council has welcomed us
> warmly. Have a read of...
>
> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-08-11.01.moin.txt
>
> I'm the one who is 'difficult' and then for them to state our
> methodology of bringing on OP's is flawed... I'm very sorry, but we
> all were here before ubuntu-irc-council when they were not interested
> and we were welcomed by the freenode staff if we had an issue (dead
> easy to see, look at the permissions for both).
>
> I see this as 'power-grab' by them, to inflate their egos. I ask...
> why does no one 'wear a badge' on our channels? It is because freenode
> caution against it. Why do they wear badges in violation of best
> practices?
>
> As they cannot and will not assimilate lubuntu into their 'conquered
> territory', I ask that we remain directly reportable to freenode until
> and unless ubuntu-irc-council accept us and our OP's who are voted up
> by ourselves for work they do on IRC.
>
> But, regardless of my views on the matter, the vote is
>
> 1) Stay with freenode
> 2) move to ubuntu irc council.
>
> Please do have a read and a think before casting your vote. I am but a
> mouthpiece for lubuntu, i am not a boss. None of us are.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
>
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