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[Steven <stenten@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Phill,
>
> Chromium unstable, for me yes, but I said nothing about HTML5.
> My issue with webkit-based browsers is that they picked up a bug that
> prevents them with working fully with a couple of web sites I manage.
>
> The bug started in Apple's Safari a couple years ago, and the other webkit
> folks picked up the bug after Apple shared that code with the group.
>
> I just started seeing the bug at the end of 2011 in Chromium and Chrome.
> But unless you're taking a continuing medical education test on-line from
> one of two sites, it may work just fine for you!
>

Do you mind linking me to the bug report for this? I'd be really interested
in learning more about it and maybe tracking it.

-Steven




>
> Regarding Libreoffice, I can understand not including it by default, and
> its not on my Lubuntu wish list.
> But for me if I could create a custom install, I'd include again:
>
> LXDM (or improve the Windows NT'ish look of LightDM)
> LibreOffice
> Catfish
>
> But these are my own issues, preferences, and not wish lists for the
> project. (Well, again, need to improve LightDM appearance as not scare off
> new users.)
>
>  Sincerely,
> Paul Gorski
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: lubuntu-qa <lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test
>
>  Hi Paul,
>
>  Chromium is unstable and does not support HTML5? Not from what I use it
> for?
> http://blog.chromium.org/2010/06/html5-rocks-resource-for-open-web.html My
> always answer to "opinions", is raise a bug.  Although do make sure you
> have enabled html5 and thrown away adobe.
>
>  As I also said before, lubuntu is a slim version. If you wish to install
> Libre Office, do so! We simply do not install it by default. To maybe put
> this into context, I have Libre Office, Open Office, GIMP, FileZilla,
> bluefish, Virtual Machines all installed on my machine. That is because my
> machine can handle them. The default set of applications have been agreed
> about as to which give the "most bangs for the bucks" in terms of resources
> used.
>
>  At the start of each cycle a call goes out as to alternatives that keep
> lubuntu on spec yet allow more applications to be added. We have a fairly
> simple system of requesting additions...... "They may not use any RAM, Hard
> Disk space nor CPU time when running". For those programmes that attain
> those three rules, they can be put on with no vote. For anything else, we
> have a discussion as to which is least evil.
>
>  The discussion for what goes into 12.10 has already started. Maybe get
> involved? The Mac people asked if they may get involved in that discussion
> and have been welcomed to it. Lubuntu can ship different default apps
> between the i686 / amd64 and the ppc / IntelMac versions.
>
>  regards,
>
>  Phill.
>
>
>
>  On 9 March 2012 23:05, Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> It wasn't a feature list request, well, except for LXDM. I need a little
>> eye-candy to help get Lubuntu in my local schools and governments.
>> If it looks like their logging into Windows NT Server, it won't happen.
>>
>> Maybe its a PowerPC thing, but I've seen it on my old PCs too,
>> Libreoffice runs as fast as AbiWord and Gnumeric, and the files are
>> compatible with the files I create on PC and Mac. I'm looking for maximum
>> cross platform compatibility.
>>
>> Ubuntu simply has too much overhead now.
>> Lubuntu offers much lower overhead, and allows for some other more
>> resource hungry apps to run.
>>
>> Libreoffice on an 800 MHz eMac running these beta Lubuntus runs circles
>> around LibreOffice on an eMac 1.4GHz running MacOS 10.5.8.
>> LibreOffice running on P3 1GHz, 512K of RAM running Lubuntu beats these
>> yet.
>>
>> Chromium is still too unstable for me, and again, I can't promote
>> something I can't use with one of my own web sites.
>>
>>
>>  Sincerely,
>> Paul Gorski
>>
>>
>>   -----Original Message-----
>> From: Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: lubuntu-qa <lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>   Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 3:53 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test
>>
>>      Hi,
>>
>>  in some sort of order...
>>
>>  LXDM is dead. as in [1] Owing to available devs, the only devs for lxde
>> are the lubuntu ones. They have decided to use LightDM as it is more
>> supportable (i.e. it is used by more than just LX).
>>
>>  Flash & LibreOffice are well outside what a minimal spec lubuntu
>> machine can run. Use Ubuntu if you have a machine that powerful, or just
>> install them.
>>
>>  FireFox was dropped in favour for Chromium for the same reason.
>>
>>  Games were and are there to just allow people to see that you can play
>> patience on lubuntu.
>>
>>  If you want to suggest changes to Apport, request them to the Apport
>> team. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
>>
>>  Lubuntu <> Ubuntu. You can add anything from any repo onto lubuntu. It
>> is slim by design, what you do to it afterwards is your choice. The most
>> important word is *choice* ... something not given sometimes. Lubuntu is
>> fully working, with enough applications to run - On time, In budget :)
>>
>>  You may want to reflect on such comments as at
>> http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=272
>>
>>  Regards,
>>
>>  Phill.
>>
>>   [1] http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~ebarnes/python/dead-parrot.htm
>>
>>  On 9 March 2012 21:33, Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Phill,
>>>
>>> You don't want me bringing in developers, I'd instruct them to:
>>>
>>> 1) bring back LXDM
>>> 2) install something that would permanently disable Flash from ever
>>> being installed
>>> 3) make LibreOffice the default office suite
>>> 4) Make Firefox the default browser, with DuckDuckGo.com as the default
>>> search engine, and AdBlock installed as a default plug-in
>>> (There's a technical problem with Chromium and all webkit based browsers
>>> that interferes with one of the professional web sites I manage.)
>>> 5) not include the games, make that an optional install
>>> 6) configure apport to not only report back to Ubuntu but copy by email
>>> anyone use choose (a local admin), so your local support person is aware of
>>> the problems you're having
>>>
>>>   Sincerely,
>>> Paul Gorski
>>>
>>>
>>>    -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>   Cc: lubuntu-qa <lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 2:59 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test
>>>
>>>       Hi Paul,
>>>
>>>  yeah, working out what is 'generic' and lubuntu is really important.
>>> Quite simply, they have more devs than us! It's a shame you missed out on
>>> the call for people qualified to help on the recent request from the
>>> government for the putting together a panel to discuss such things. For
>>> schools, the ubuntu family specifically has edubuntu [1] From every one
>>> (all three of them) I have steered in that direction I have had 100% report
>>> back as it is not just a 'system', it is a community where the poor guy
>>> 'allocated' IT can discuss with others about anything.
>>>
>>>  My only other discussion re: lubuntu & schools was a couple of years
>>> ago when some one from the african continent asked about the viability of
>>> using lubuntu on a thin blade server as gnome had simply gotten to the
>>> point where the server could not serve the multiple sign ons from what were
>>> pretty "dumb" computers. He took the time out to thank us, as it reduced
>>> the server load by 30% and ensured that they could continue to offer IT
>>> lessons. Each time some one discusses 'old kit', I do remember that chat -
>>> Even though it was a couple of years ago and lasted a couple of days.
>>> Lubuntu made a difference.
>>>
>>>  All you have to do now is grab some developers for lubuntu! Such is
>>> our team size, a couple of extra people would make a massive difference.
>>> For example, some one familiar with back-porting would get 10.04 updated
>>> (the last release that can support pre i686 chipsets). The desire is there,
>>> we simply are lacking in numbers.
>>>
>>>  Regards,
>>>
>>>  Phill.
>>>
>>>   On 9 March 2012 19:43, Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If we could fix the dark login screens for the G4s at the cost of
>>>> giving up on the iMacG3's I'd be fine with that. The fact is the desktop
>>>> iso doesn't work for G3's or many G4's. (No boot G3's dark installer screen
>>>> for G4's)
>>>>
>>>> I'm not looking at this just from a Mac angle though.  Their are
>>>> millions of PCs that the Window OS has abandoned, ripe for Lubuntu or
>>>> equivalent.
>>>> As someone who is personally responsible for overseeing government
>>>> budgets, I'd like to see governments and schools move to Ubuntu, Lubuntu or
>>>> equivalent. Its folks like me you have to reach and convince. Decision
>>>> makers within business and units of governments.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, I'm having problems with the PC side, but don't have the
>>>> time to report the problems, as I am working on three PowerPC Macs at a
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> I have PIII's, PIV's, and Intel-based Macs I've been testing on while
>>>> my other PowerPC installs are happening. And I've started doing some Ubuntu
>>>> installs just to compare the experiences.
>>>>
>>>>  Sincerely,
>>>> Paul Gorski
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>   To: Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx>; lubuntu-qa <
>>>> lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:37 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test
>>>>
>>>>  Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>>  this is lubuntu's first attempt at a Mac release (We only gained
>>>> 'official' status with the 11.10 release, which was only i686 & amn64).
>>>> Pretty much everyone testing has never used iso-tracker[1] before nor
>>>> raised 'official' bug reports. That they have come so far in such a short
>>>> time is a testament to their desire to see lubuntu available for Macs. The
>>>> 12.04 will, no doubt, still be a bit rough round the edges as non of our
>>>> dev team have access to a mac. The fate of lubuntu for Macs falls pretty
>>>> much into the hands of the small but valiant group of testers. Our devs,
>>>> artwork, wiki people etc. will do all they can to ensure that it works,
>>>> looks okay and there is documentation as to how to solve issues that are
>>>> still there at release.
>>>>
>>>>  I am as committed to helping new comers get used to QA testing, and
>>>> the 'main' QA team that over sees all flavours of the ubuntu family are
>>>> also as committed. This is the first release for me where I've been
>>>> coordinating QA issues, and boy oh boy, have I asked a lot of questions!
>>>> There is a 'rule' from Canonical to continue the ppc & Intel-Mac releases
>>>> but* only* if they are seen to be tested, bugs reported and fixed.
>>>> Consider the 12.04 lubuntu release as a stable 'Beta', what we learn from
>>>> getting it to release will be taken on board for the 12.10 release.
>>>>
>>>>  I'm mindful of the fact that there are still some pretty big gremlins
>>>> that need sorting - especially for G3 and the knack of installing the
>>>> kernels in the wrong place. These affect all the ubuntu family Mac
>>>> releases, the feed back from the guy who looks after such things is "RAISE
>>>> A BUG!!", reporting by email, IRC, forums etc. does *not* count in
>>>> Canonical's eyes as 'activity'.
>>>>
>>>>  For reaching a larger audience? As happened with lubuntu - you'd be
>>>> surprised just how powerful word of mouth, peoples blogs etc. are. We do
>>>> have access to some people who are PR orientated, both via lubuntu, ubuntu
>>>> and an upstream project that I also am the admin for. As for the pure Mac
>>>> side of things? Well, I'm sure the mac users know where to post comments
>>>> about the fact lubuntu is coming to the Macs :)
>>>>
>>>>  As they say in the old Ealing Comedies [2] "Carry on testing!" At
>>>> times, it does feel somewhat surreal, a good sense of humour is not
>>>> required, but it sure goes a long way to help you not "head butting the
>>>> desk" when things really break!
>>>>
>>>>  Regards,
>>>>
>>>>  Phill
>>>> [1] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
>>>> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carry_On_(film_series)
>>>>
>>>> On 9 March 2012 17:48, Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Phill,
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there any clear cut goals set forth for Ubuntu and variant
>>>>> development?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure you all want to improve the released products, but for what
>>>>> purpose?
>>>>> Is there any particular goal to reach a larger audience, a larger
>>>>> installed base?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've supported Macs and PCs for over 20 years now, but was a true Mac
>>>>> Evangelist in the day before Apple Stores.
>>>>> I'd go into businesses and flip them from PC to Mac. Sometimes it was
>>>>> hard sometimes not.
>>>>> Lower cost of training, return on investment and ease of use usually
>>>>> sold decision makers, as long as the software supported their business
>>>>> goals.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see a huge market for Ubuntu and the like. Low cost of entry, pretty
>>>>> easy to setup, numerous viable business applications, and browsers fully
>>>>> compatible with today's cloud computing. And you can use your existing
>>>>> hardware!
>>>>> You could drive down operating costs for businesses, schools and
>>>>> governments. What's not to like.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you're not the guy that makes these decisions, but I'd like to
>>>>> know what we're working towards.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Sincerely,
>>>>> Paul Gorski
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: Luigi Calderone <lugligino@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Cc: lubuntu-qa <lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 11:34 am
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi Luigi,
>>>>>
>>>>>  the only one available for you would be the 10.04 release of lubuntu
>>>>> which we keep alive precisely for that reason. If you can get Ubuntu 12.04
>>>>> installed, you can then put lubuntu on & get rid of the gnome stuff. But!
>>>>> the instructions for going 'pure' lubuntu will not be available until a few
>>>>> days after the final release of 12.04.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Sorry I cannot be of more help.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>  Phill.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9 March 2012 08:33, Luigi Calderone <lugligino@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil,
>>>>>> I wasn't able to find a way to write anything in the iso tracker.
>>>>>> Installation of Lubuntu was unsuccessful because my laptop Dell
>>>>>> Latitude D600 is "Pentium M" based, manufactured on 2004. Pentium M is a
>>>>>> "non PAE" processor not supported anymore in ubuntu with exception of
>>>>>> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS version (I don't like it because I've only 512MB Ram). I
>>>>>> found it's possible to use a mini.iso distro but an ethernet connection is
>>>>>> required and I've only an internet key one. Probably a mutant
>>>>>> lubuntu-non-pae distro should be a solution but I didn't find it in any way.
>>>>>> Any hint?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bye
>>>>>> Luigi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2012/3/8 Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  firstly, be careful with Gnome Video Player, it *may* bring in a
>>>>>>> lot of Gnome dependencies (I've never tried it on Lubuntu), Firefox can be
>>>>>>> installed although the default is Chromium
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  We ask that people use the iso tracker at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ as
>>>>>>> from there you can look at the requested tests for installing and say that
>>>>>>> it works / fails / installs but has a problem etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing has more information on
>>>>>>> testing. Feel free to join the lubuntu-qa group and mailing list and ask
>>>>>>> any testing questions on there. Also, joining the main mailing list if you
>>>>>>> are testing an i686 or amd64 version details of that one are at
>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved#How_to_Join<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved#How_to_Join.3F>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Welcome to lubuntu!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Phill.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8 March 2012 15:33, Luigi Calderone <lugligino@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Admin,
>>>>>>>> I'm going to install Lubuntu 12.04 beta1 on my old laptop (Dell
>>>>>>>> Latitude
>>>>>>>> D600, 512MB Ram) in order to use and test this distro.
>>>>>>>> I use often some programs like Firefox 10, Gnome Video Player,
>>>>>>>> KeepassX,
>>>>>>>> Unison, Playonlinux, Wvdial
>>>>>>>> What can I do if I find any problem? Is there a forum where it's
>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>> to report it?
>>>>>>>> Bye
>>>>>>>> Luigi
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