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Re: Lubuntu 12.04 beta test


On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Phill,
> Chromium unstable, for me yes, but I said nothing about HTML5.
> My issue with webkit-based browsers is that they picked up a bug that
> prevents them with working fully with a couple of web sites I manage.
> The bug started in Apple's Safari a couple years ago, and the other webkit
> folks picked up the bug after Apple shared that code with the group.
> I just started seeing the bug at the end of 2011 in Chromium and Chrome.
> But unless you're taking a continuing medical education test on-line from
> one of two sites, it may work just fine for you!

Do you mind linking me to the bug report for this? I'd be really interested
in learning more about it and maybe tracking it.


> Regarding Libreoffice, I can understand not including it by default, and
> its not on my Lubuntu wish list.
> But for me if I could create a custom install, I'd include again:
> LXDM (or improve the Windows NT'ish look of LightDM)
> LibreOffice
> Catfish
> But these are my own issues, preferences, and not wish lists for the
> project. (Well, again, need to improve LightDM appearance as not scare off
> new users.)
>  Sincerely,
> Paul Gorski
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: lubuntu-qa <lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test
>  Hi Paul,
>  Chromium is unstable and does not support HTML5? Not from what I use it
> for?
> http://blog.chromium.org/2010/06/html5-rocks-resource-for-open-web.html My
> always answer to "opinions", is raise a bug.  Although do make sure you
> have enabled html5 and thrown away adobe.
>  As I also said before, lubuntu is a slim version. If you wish to install
> Libre Office, do so! We simply do not install it by default. To maybe put
> this into context, I have Libre Office, Open Office, GIMP, FileZilla,
> bluefish, Virtual Machines all installed on my machine. That is because my
> machine can handle them. The default set of applications have been agreed
> about as to which give the "most bangs for the bucks" in terms of resources
> used.
>  At the start of each cycle a call goes out as to alternatives that keep
> lubuntu on spec yet allow more applications to be added. We have a fairly
> simple system of requesting additions...... "They may not use any RAM, Hard
> Disk space nor CPU time when running". For those programmes that attain
> those three rules, they can be put on with no vote. For anything else, we
> have a discussion as to which is least evil.
>  The discussion for what goes into 12.10 has already started. Maybe get
> involved? The Mac people asked if they may get involved in that discussion
> and have been welcomed to it. Lubuntu can ship different default apps
> between the i686 / amd64 and the ppc / IntelMac versions.
>  regards,
>  Phill.
>  On 9 March 2012 23:05, Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> It wasn't a feature list request, well, except for LXDM. I need a little
>> eye-candy to help get Lubuntu in my local schools and governments.
>> If it looks like their logging into Windows NT Server, it won't happen.
>> Maybe its a PowerPC thing, but I've seen it on my old PCs too,
>> Libreoffice runs as fast as AbiWord and Gnumeric, and the files are
>> compatible with the files I create on PC and Mac. I'm looking for maximum
>> cross platform compatibility.
>> Ubuntu simply has too much overhead now.
>> Lubuntu offers much lower overhead, and allows for some other more
>> resource hungry apps to run.
>> Libreoffice on an 800 MHz eMac running these beta Lubuntus runs circles
>> around LibreOffice on an eMac 1.4GHz running MacOS 10.5.8.
>> LibreOffice running on P3 1GHz, 512K of RAM running Lubuntu beats these
>> yet.
>> Chromium is still too unstable for me, and again, I can't promote
>> something I can't use with one of my own web sites.
>>  Sincerely,
>> Paul Gorski
>>   -----Original Message-----
>> From: Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: lubuntu-qa <lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>   Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 3:53 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test
>>      Hi,
>>  in some sort of order...
>>  LXDM is dead. as in [1] Owing to available devs, the only devs for lxde
>> are the lubuntu ones. They have decided to use LightDM as it is more
>> supportable (i.e. it is used by more than just LX).
>>  Flash & LibreOffice are well outside what a minimal spec lubuntu
>> machine can run. Use Ubuntu if you have a machine that powerful, or just
>> install them.
>>  FireFox was dropped in favour for Chromium for the same reason.
>>  Games were and are there to just allow people to see that you can play
>> patience on lubuntu.
>>  If you want to suggest changes to Apport, request them to the Apport
>> team. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
>>  Lubuntu <> Ubuntu. You can add anything from any repo onto lubuntu. It
>> is slim by design, what you do to it afterwards is your choice. The most
>> important word is *choice* ... something not given sometimes. Lubuntu is
>> fully working, with enough applications to run - On time, In budget :)
>>  You may want to reflect on such comments as at
>> http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=272
>>  Regards,
>>  Phill.
>>   [1] http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~ebarnes/python/dead-parrot.htm
>>  On 9 March 2012 21:33, Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Phill,
>>> You don't want me bringing in developers, I'd instruct them to:
>>> 1) bring back LXDM
>>> 2) install something that would permanently disable Flash from ever
>>> being installed
>>> 3) make LibreOffice the default office suite
>>> 4) Make Firefox the default browser, with DuckDuckGo.com as the default
>>> search engine, and AdBlock installed as a default plug-in
>>> (There's a technical problem with Chromium and all webkit based browsers
>>> that interferes with one of the professional web sites I manage.)
>>> 5) not include the games, make that an optional install
>>> 6) configure apport to not only report back to Ubuntu but copy by email
>>> anyone use choose (a local admin), so your local support person is aware of
>>> the problems you're having
>>>   Sincerely,
>>> Paul Gorski
>>>    -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>   Cc: lubuntu-qa <lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 2:59 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test
>>>       Hi Paul,
>>>  yeah, working out what is 'generic' and lubuntu is really important.
>>> Quite simply, they have more devs than us! It's a shame you missed out on
>>> the call for people qualified to help on the recent request from the
>>> government for the putting together a panel to discuss such things. For
>>> schools, the ubuntu family specifically has edubuntu [1] From every one
>>> (all three of them) I have steered in that direction I have had 100% report
>>> back as it is not just a 'system', it is a community where the poor guy
>>> 'allocated' IT can discuss with others about anything.
>>>  My only other discussion re: lubuntu & schools was a couple of years
>>> ago when some one from the african continent asked about the viability of
>>> using lubuntu on a thin blade server as gnome had simply gotten to the
>>> point where the server could not serve the multiple sign ons from what were
>>> pretty "dumb" computers. He took the time out to thank us, as it reduced
>>> the server load by 30% and ensured that they could continue to offer IT
>>> lessons. Each time some one discusses 'old kit', I do remember that chat -
>>> Even though it was a couple of years ago and lasted a couple of days.
>>> Lubuntu made a difference.
>>>  All you have to do now is grab some developers for lubuntu! Such is
>>> our team size, a couple of extra people would make a massive difference.
>>> For example, some one familiar with back-porting would get 10.04 updated
>>> (the last release that can support pre i686 chipsets). The desire is there,
>>> we simply are lacking in numbers.
>>>  Regards,
>>>  Phill.
>>>   On 9 March 2012 19:43, Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> If we could fix the dark login screens for the G4s at the cost of
>>>> giving up on the iMacG3's I'd be fine with that. The fact is the desktop
>>>> iso doesn't work for G3's or many G4's. (No boot G3's dark installer screen
>>>> for G4's)
>>>> I'm not looking at this just from a Mac angle though.  Their are
>>>> millions of PCs that the Window OS has abandoned, ripe for Lubuntu or
>>>> equivalent.
>>>> As someone who is personally responsible for overseeing government
>>>> budgets, I'd like to see governments and schools move to Ubuntu, Lubuntu or
>>>> equivalent. Its folks like me you have to reach and convince. Decision
>>>> makers within business and units of governments.
>>>> By the way, I'm having problems with the PC side, but don't have the
>>>> time to report the problems, as I am working on three PowerPC Macs at a
>>>> time.
>>>> I have PIII's, PIV's, and Intel-based Macs I've been testing on while
>>>> my other PowerPC installs are happening. And I've started doing some Ubuntu
>>>> installs just to compare the experiences.
>>>>  Sincerely,
>>>> Paul Gorski
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>   To: Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx>; lubuntu-qa <
>>>> lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:37 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test
>>>>  Hi Paul,
>>>>  this is lubuntu's first attempt at a Mac release (We only gained
>>>> 'official' status with the 11.10 release, which was only i686 & amn64).
>>>> Pretty much everyone testing has never used iso-tracker[1] before nor
>>>> raised 'official' bug reports. That they have come so far in such a short
>>>> time is a testament to their desire to see lubuntu available for Macs. The
>>>> 12.04 will, no doubt, still be a bit rough round the edges as non of our
>>>> dev team have access to a mac. The fate of lubuntu for Macs falls pretty
>>>> much into the hands of the small but valiant group of testers. Our devs,
>>>> artwork, wiki people etc. will do all they can to ensure that it works,
>>>> looks okay and there is documentation as to how to solve issues that are
>>>> still there at release.
>>>>  I am as committed to helping new comers get used to QA testing, and
>>>> the 'main' QA team that over sees all flavours of the ubuntu family are
>>>> also as committed. This is the first release for me where I've been
>>>> coordinating QA issues, and boy oh boy, have I asked a lot of questions!
>>>> There is a 'rule' from Canonical to continue the ppc & Intel-Mac releases
>>>> but* only* if they are seen to be tested, bugs reported and fixed.
>>>> Consider the 12.04 lubuntu release as a stable 'Beta', what we learn from
>>>> getting it to release will be taken on board for the 12.10 release.
>>>>  I'm mindful of the fact that there are still some pretty big gremlins
>>>> that need sorting - especially for G3 and the knack of installing the
>>>> kernels in the wrong place. These affect all the ubuntu family Mac
>>>> releases, the feed back from the guy who looks after such things is "RAISE
>>>> A BUG!!", reporting by email, IRC, forums etc. does *not* count in
>>>> Canonical's eyes as 'activity'.
>>>>  For reaching a larger audience? As happened with lubuntu - you'd be
>>>> surprised just how powerful word of mouth, peoples blogs etc. are. We do
>>>> have access to some people who are PR orientated, both via lubuntu, ubuntu
>>>> and an upstream project that I also am the admin for. As for the pure Mac
>>>> side of things? Well, I'm sure the mac users know where to post comments
>>>> about the fact lubuntu is coming to the Macs :)
>>>>  As they say in the old Ealing Comedies [2] "Carry on testing!" At
>>>> times, it does feel somewhat surreal, a good sense of humour is not
>>>> required, but it sure goes a long way to help you not "head butting the
>>>> desk" when things really break!
>>>>  Regards,
>>>>  Phill
>>>> [1] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
>>>> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carry_On_(film_series)
>>>> On 9 March 2012 17:48, Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>  Phill,
>>>>> Are there any clear cut goals set forth for Ubuntu and variant
>>>>> development?
>>>>> Sure you all want to improve the released products, but for what
>>>>> purpose?
>>>>> Is there any particular goal to reach a larger audience, a larger
>>>>> installed base?
>>>>> I've supported Macs and PCs for over 20 years now, but was a true Mac
>>>>> Evangelist in the day before Apple Stores.
>>>>> I'd go into businesses and flip them from PC to Mac. Sometimes it was
>>>>> hard sometimes not.
>>>>> Lower cost of training, return on investment and ease of use usually
>>>>> sold decision makers, as long as the software supported their business
>>>>> goals.
>>>>> I see a huge market for Ubuntu and the like. Low cost of entry, pretty
>>>>> easy to setup, numerous viable business applications, and browsers fully
>>>>> compatible with today's cloud computing. And you can use your existing
>>>>> hardware!
>>>>> You could drive down operating costs for businesses, schools and
>>>>> governments. What's not to like.
>>>>> I know you're not the guy that makes these decisions, but I'd like to
>>>>> know what we're working towards.
>>>>>  Sincerely,
>>>>> Paul Gorski
>>>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: Luigi Calderone <lugligino@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Cc: lubuntu-qa <lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 11:34 am
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test
>>>>>  Hi Luigi,
>>>>>  the only one available for you would be the 10.04 release of lubuntu
>>>>> which we keep alive precisely for that reason. If you can get Ubuntu 12.04
>>>>> installed, you can then put lubuntu on & get rid of the gnome stuff. But!
>>>>> the instructions for going 'pure' lubuntu will not be available until a few
>>>>> days after the final release of 12.04.
>>>>>  Sorry I cannot be of more help.
>>>>>  Regards,
>>>>>  Phill.
>>>>> On 9 March 2012 08:33, Luigi Calderone <lugligino@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> Phil,
>>>>>> I wasn't able to find a way to write anything in the iso tracker.
>>>>>> Installation of Lubuntu was unsuccessful because my laptop Dell
>>>>>> Latitude D600 is "Pentium M" based, manufactured on 2004. Pentium M is a
>>>>>> "non PAE" processor not supported anymore in ubuntu with exception of
>>>>>> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS version (I don't like it because I've only 512MB Ram). I
>>>>>> found it's possible to use a mini.iso distro but an ethernet connection is
>>>>>> required and I've only an internet key one. Probably a mutant
>>>>>> lubuntu-non-pae distro should be a solution but I didn't find it in any way.
>>>>>> Any hint?
>>>>>> Bye
>>>>>> Luigi
>>>>>> 2012/3/8 Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>  firstly, be careful with Gnome Video Player, it *may* bring in a
>>>>>>> lot of Gnome dependencies (I've never tried it on Lubuntu), Firefox can be
>>>>>>> installed although the default is Chromium
>>>>>>>  We ask that people use the iso tracker at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ as
>>>>>>> from there you can look at the requested tests for installing and say that
>>>>>>> it works / fails / installs but has a problem etc.
>>>>>>>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing has more information on
>>>>>>> testing. Feel free to join the lubuntu-qa group and mailing list and ask
>>>>>>> any testing questions on there. Also, joining the main mailing list if you
>>>>>>> are testing an i686 or amd64 version details of that one are at
>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved#How_to_Join<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved#How_to_Join.3F>
>>>>>>>  Welcome to lubuntu!
>>>>>>>  Regards,
>>>>>>>  Phill.
>>>>>>> On 8 March 2012 15:33, Luigi Calderone <lugligino@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Admin,
>>>>>>>> I'm going to install Lubuntu 12.04 beta1 on my old laptop (Dell
>>>>>>>> Latitude
>>>>>>>> D600, 512MB Ram) in order to use and test this distro.
>>>>>>>> I use often some programs like Firefox 10, Gnome Video Player,
>>>>>>>> KeepassX,
>>>>>>>> Unison, Playonlinux, Wvdial
>>>>>>>> What can I do if I find any problem? Is there a forum where it's
>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>> to report it?
>>>>>>>> Bye
>>>>>>>> Luigi
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