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[Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>]

Wow, that was fast! I'm bushed ATM, just headed off to bed, but I'll do some testing tomorrow.

I did test the new Xubuntu image today, then had to test the Xubuntu Beta 1 image for some comparisons. Kernel wise things seemed OK.

Lance

--- On Mon, 3/19/12, Greg Faith <gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Greg Faith <gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [Lubuntu-wiki-docs] Non-pae testing
To: "Lance" <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Phill Whiteside" <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>, "Chris" <cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx>, lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, lubuntu-wiki-docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 9:18 PM

Just got a new install of the Lubuntu Desktop i386 with non-pae kernel.. Most excellent now we can move on... Need some Pentium M testers now.
Updated qa-tracker for today's spin.

Linux tester-Latitude-D620 3.2.0-19-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 16 16:26:45 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
 Date seems wrong but it was zsynced today and instaaled a few minutes ago.

nm_geo Greg

On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Greg. Probably no need to keep testing each respin ATM, although testing and bug reporting is always welcome.

My guess is that things will continue to change dramatically between now and March 22nd. Then I'd expect Beta 2 iso-testing to begin about March 26th.


I actually do have one set of hardware that will run a 64 bit OS but it always does so poorly, presumably because of the 2GB RAM I'm using. I don't care much, I just know that it doesn't run any 64 bit OS well.


Regarding my health I only brought it up at the forums because I'm not doing well. Between my seizure disorder and cardiac problems I could disappear anytime. Currently I'm only good for spurts of 2 to 6 hours before I have to walk away from the puter.


But I was told just after Xmas 2001 that I had only 2 months to live so I'm doing darn good, and I do what I do
 because I love doing it. Ubuntu, and now Lubuntu, have given me a reason to get up and keep going when I'd otherwise have just stayed in bed :^)

Lance

--- On Thu, 3/15/12, Greg Faith <gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Greg Faith <gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx>

Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [Lubuntu-wiki-docs] Non-pae testing
To: "Lance" <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Phill Whiteside" <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>, "Chris" <cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx>, lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, lubuntu-wiki-docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Date: Thursday, March 15, 2012, 7:06 PM

Lance, 

Well I am checking the 20120315 mini.iso right now.. I think I may tinker with the lubuntu-core install and remastersys it just to see the size it generates.


UCK and manual CD creation with a non-pae kernel
 have not gone well for me here... 

I have not completed a clean build with either option.

Yeah the next two weeks will be intense.. I will work on the amd64 installs correct? You have no 64bit 
hardware or am I slipping..  By the way, how did the doctor appointment go? q:o)  Good I hope. 



nm_geo Greg

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


I'm also behind on testing. But we have time ;^)

Things could still change,

Lance

--- On Thu, 3/15/12, Greg Faith <gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



From: Greg Faith <gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx>

Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [Lubuntu-wiki-docs] Non-pae testing

To: "Phill Whiteside" <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Lance" <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>, "Chris" <cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx>, lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, lubuntu-wiki-docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


Date: Thursday, March 15, 2012, 5:10 PM

There is a brand new non-pae mini-iso spun in the archive as of today.. Dang it never got the one just before it tested... 

http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/non-pae/




Dated: 20120315 

By the way where did that testing and reporting the mini.iso on the qa-tracker every land? I even read where some of the lubuntu team DID NOT want testing of the mini.iso added to the tracker???  I would ask why?? ... Since it may become a viable option for getting the non-pae kernel working.




Oh well, I am going to test it anyway.. I'll just take my laptop and plug into the wire and do some multi-tasking on my desktop during the process.
hmmm... maybe I will test it on my Lenovo desktop too.. 




nm_geo Greg



On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Sounds fun!
Yeah, CD sized is always good :)
As it looks like it will be a community respin, I'm prepared to host it. It will need some testing :) Do keep us updated with progress. The final respin will be after the release of 12.04 as a community edition. We have had them before we were adopted, I'd have to check what the situation is now that we are adopted in terms of where we can state its existance.




Regards,
Phill.

On 10 March 2012 22:05, Greg Faith <gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:




Update on the min.iso precise 12.04 non-pae testings and tweaking..
It is still best to use normal install (tasksel) select lubuntu-core




You will get a completely bootable version on the partition you installed it to.

I still like to get synaptic first and then install lubuntu-desktop (all clean just like it would be from LiveCD)

Okay now I have carried it  and  carried it a little farther..  Yeah just a little .. whew

I used remastersys and created an iso that could be distributed.  Problem is I added to much junk to it before I decide to try the remastersys.  Image is about 803 MB so it is a tad to big.. It did boot up and has an option to install .. That is my next step.. By the way I added the b43 firmware to the install for my laptop.  It made it through the remastersys too.  will now remaster a truly stripped down iso and see how small it is.  






It has been a fun productive morning here.  Trying to install now will let you know..

nm_geo Greg

 

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Greg Faith <gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:





Lance I just did another mini.iso install today with the 20120203 date.

What I have found is that using only the lubuntu-core initially does a better job. 






I then booted to the installed Lubuntu-core..  used Xterm and sudo installed synaptic right away.  Note: " just doing the lubuntu-desktop right here would be reasonable and synaptic would fall in place with it."







Then I added the lubuntu-desktop. 
After that I added the apts that I think I have got to have..... Firefox(I love Sync), keepassx and nautilus-dropbox 

everything is splendid now...


I have to admit I like the look of the LXDE desktop.. Wish I had tried it during the rush to beta1 testing.

I should nearly be an expert on the mini.iso install by the time I finish testing.. NOT 

The kernel is the key to those b43 issues without ethernet.  I am doing some thinkin' on that one.







NEXT shot will be straight CLI install.. But this install worked pretty well I think.

nm_geo Greg


On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:







Quite simply tasksel has been very unreliable, particularly so since I requested this change:








https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/931237

Personally if I had to choose ATM I'd say stick with CLI.








But the worst problem is that most of those effected seem to have Pentium M Laptops with no access to a wired connection. Not sure yet how to deal with that.

I have found that UNetbootin works fine to create a mini.iso flash drive. There has to be a way to slip the most common wireless drivers into it.








But this was a total screw-up on the part of Canonical, and I've told SABDFL the same:

https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg08539.html








No reply yet, but unless Ubuntu itself changes course we'll just have to tell a lot of Pentium users w/o wired access goodbye :^(

Lance


---
 On Sun, 3/4/12, Chris <cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:








From: Chris <cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-wiki-docs] [Lubuntu-qa] Non-pae testing
To: "Phill Whiteside" <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>







Cc: lubuntu-wiki-docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Lance" <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>, "Steven" <stenten@xxxxxxxxx>







Date: Sunday, March 4, 2012, 12:38 PM

Aloha,
That tasksel might be a bit beginner friendly, however did anyone test already if Lubuntu Desktop is even added to that? We've only become official this release, that might mean someone could have overlooked it.









Note that it will take a lot more from our side in terms of documentation. Giving a more step by step guidance.
Something to think about.
@Steven: let us know how things will progress.
With metta, Chris
On Mar 3, 2012 12:09 PM, "Phill Whiteside" <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:








Hi Lance,
Chris is team leader for the wiki / docs team [1], as I'm also a member of that team we do still chat to each other :)
I've cc'd them this email.









Regards,
Phill.[1] https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-wiki-docs


On 2 March 2012 20:24, Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:









I'm working on things, how much documentation do we need?

I think a very brief how-to regarding upgrades from Oneiric to Precise. But we all know that upgrades can be problematic depending on customization, hardware, etc.










When it comes down to the the mini.iso we used to provide very limited details regarding the minimal install:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall










None of that is wrong but I think we should be able to use "Install" and 'tasksel'. Or should we go CLI? Or do we need to provide details for both methods?

If we go with 'tasksel' I like this guide:










http://xbmcmediacenter.com/how-to-install-ubuntu-mini-iso/

But I have a few concerns:

(1) Regarding "hostname" I think we need to better explain that it's the same as Computer Name using the live CD, ie:










This
 is the name used to identify the computer on your network, if 
you're used to using the live installer it's simply called "computer 
name" there and it's created for you when you enter your full name and 
user name, eg;



If your full name is "John Smith", and you keep the user name "john" 
your computer name will typically be something like "john-desktop".
			
		

(2) HTTP proxy. I've never had to set one up, most users won't. How do we explain that?

(3) Partitioning! How much should we say? At least "use largest continuous space" still exists in the Debian installer ;^)










(4) Regarding encryption I don't know what to say, I've never done so.

(5) UTC clock settings still exists in the alternate install images but not in the netboot installs I've tried. Do we need to mention anything here?










I think PhillW is our main documentation guy so I think it's ultimately up to him to decide what the documentation says, sorry Phill :^)

But I also wanted to be able to create a bootable USB flash drive with the mini.iso image and while it was possible using grub and "dd" I found it unreliable, and we all know "dd" can be hazardous to existing data.










So I kept exploring and it's fairly easy to create a bootable mini.iso with UNetbootin. Downright easy to create a Oneiric image, a
 tiny bit more complicated to create Precise image due to the need to understand file paths, but much safer than using "dd" from CLI.

So I contacted the UNetbootin dev and asked if they'd provide both standard and non-pae images in their available downloads. We'll have to be patient for a reply.










What does everyone think so far?

If you wish you can follow the conversation here at the forums:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1924455










Sorry if I'm just being a pain in the neck,

Lance

PS: All of my hardware runs the PAE kernel just fine so we will need a non-pae tester at some point, but I know how to look and see what kernel packages are installed, what's running, etc.










--- On Thu, 3/1/12, Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Phill Whiteside
 <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Lubuntu-qa] Non-pae testing
To: lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 1:39 PM










As the subject says.

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