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[Greg Faith <gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx>]

Just got a new install of the Lubuntu Desktop i386 with non-pae kernel..
Most excellent now we can move on... Need some Pentium M testers now.

Updated qa-tracker for today's spin.

Linux tester-Latitude-D620 3.2.0-19-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 16
16:26:45 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

 Date seems wrong but it was zsynced today and instaaled a few minutes ago.

nm_geo Greg

On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Greg. Probably no need to keep testing each respin ATM, although
> testing and bug reporting is always welcome.
>
> My guess is that things will continue to change dramatically between now
> and March 22nd. Then I'd expect Beta 2 iso-testing to begin about March
> 26th.
>
> I actually do have one set of hardware that will run a 64 bit OS but it
> always does so poorly, presumably because of the 2GB RAM I'm using. I don't
> care much, I just know that it doesn't run any 64 bit OS well.
>
> Regarding my health I only brought it up at the forums because I'm not
> doing well. Between my seizure disorder and cardiac problems I could
> disappear anytime. Currently I'm only good for spurts of 2 to 6 hours
> before I have to walk away from the puter.
>
> But I was told just after Xmas 2001 that I had only 2 months to live so
> I'm doing darn good, and I do what I do because I love doing it. Ubuntu,
> and now Lubuntu, have given me a reason to get up and keep going when I'd
> otherwise have just stayed in bed :^)
>
>
> Lance
>
> --- On *Thu, 3/15/12, Greg Faith <gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Greg Faith <gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [Lubuntu-wiki-docs] Non-pae testing
> To: "Lance" <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "Phill Whiteside" <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>, "Chris" <cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx>,
> lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, lubuntu-wiki-docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thursday, March 15, 2012, 7:06 PM
>
>
> Lance,
>
> Well I am checking the 20120315 mini.iso right now.. I think I may tinker
> with the lubuntu-core install and remastersys it just to see the size it
> generates.
>
> UCK and manual CD creation with a non-pae kernel have not gone well for me
> here...
> I have not completed a clean build with either option.
>
> Yeah the next two weeks will be intense.. I will work on the amd64
> installs correct? You have no 64bit
> hardware or am I slipping..  By the way, how did the doctor appointment
> go? q:o)  Good I hope.
>
> nm_geo Greg
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
>
> I'm also behind on testing. But we have time ;^)
>
> Things could still change,
>
> Lance
>
> --- On *Thu, 3/15/12, Greg Faith <gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Greg Faith <gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [Lubuntu-wiki-docs] Non-pae testing
> To: "Phill Whiteside" <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> Cc: "Lance" <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx <http://mc/compose?to=lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>>,
> "Chris" <cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx>>,
> lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> lubuntu-wiki-docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=lubuntu-wiki-docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thursday, March 15, 2012, 5:10 PM
>
>
> There is a brand new non-pae mini-iso spun in the archive as of today..
> Dang it never got the one just before it tested...
>
>
> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/non-pae/
>
> Dated: 20120315
>
> By the way where did that testing and reporting the mini.iso on the
> qa-tracker every land? I even read where some of the lubuntu team DID NOT
> want testing of the mini.iso added to the tracker???  I would ask why?? ...
> Since it may become a viable option for getting the non-pae kernel working.
>
> Oh well, I am going to test it anyway.. I'll just take my laptop and plug
> into the wire and do some multi-tasking on my desktop during the process.
> hmmm... maybe I will test it on my Lenovo desktop too..
>
> nm_geo Greg
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
>
> Sounds fun!
>
> Yeah, CD sized is always good :)
>
> As it looks like it will be a community respin, I'm prepared to host it.
> It will need some testing :) Do keep us updated with progress. The final
> respin will be after the release of 12.04 as a community edition. We have
> had them before we were adopted, I'd have to check what the situation is
> now that we are adopted in terms of where we can state its existance.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On 10 March 2012 22:05, Greg Faith <gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
>
> Update on the min.iso precise 12.04 non-pae testings and tweaking..
> It is still best to use normal install (tasksel) select lubuntu-core
> You will get a completely bootable version on the partition you installed
> it to.
> I still like to get synaptic first and then install lubuntu-desktop (all
> clean just like it would be from LiveCD)
>
> Okay now I have carried it  and  carried it a little farther..  Yeah just
> a little .. whew
>
> I used remastersys and created an iso that could be distributed.  Problem
> is I added to much junk to it before I decide to try the remastersys.
> Image is about 803 MB so it is a tad to big.. It did boot up and has an
> option to install .. That is my next step.. By the way I added the b43
> firmware to the install for my laptop.  It made it through the remastersys
> too.  will now remaster a truly stripped down iso and see how small it is.
>
> It has been a fun productive morning here.  Trying to install now will let
> you know..
>
> nm_geo Greg
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Greg Faith <gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=gregfaith@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
>
> Lance I just did another mini.iso install today with the 20120203 date.
>
> What I have found is that using only the lubuntu-core initially does a
> better job.
>
> I then booted to the installed Lubuntu-core..  used Xterm and sudo
> installed synaptic right away.  *Note: " just doing the lubuntu-desktop
> right here would be reasonable and synaptic would fall in place with it."*
>
> Then I added the lubuntu-desktop.
> After that I added the apts that I think I have got to have..... Firefox(I
> love Sync), keepassx and nautilus-dropbox
>
> everything is splendid now...
>
> I have to admit I like the look of the LXDE desktop.. Wish I had tried it
> during the rush to beta1 testing.
>
> I should nearly be an expert on the mini.iso install by the time I finish
> testing.. NOT
>
> The kernel is the key to those b43 issues without ethernet.  I am doing
> some thinkin' on that one.
>
> NEXT shot will be straight CLI install.. But this install worked pretty
> well I think.
>
> nm_geo Greg
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
>
> Quite simply tasksel has been very unreliable, particularly so since I
> requested this change:
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/931237
>
> Personally if I had to choose ATM I'd say stick with CLI.
>
> But the worst problem is that most of those effected seem to have Pentium
> M Laptops with no access to a wired connection. Not sure yet how to deal
> with that.
>
> I have found that UNetbootin works fine to create a mini.iso flash drive.
> There has to be a way to slip the most common wireless drivers into it.
>
> But this was a total screw-up on the part of Canonical, and I've told
> SABDFL the same:
>
> https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg08539.html
>
> No reply yet, but unless Ubuntu itself changes course we'll just have to
> tell a lot of Pentium users w/o wired access goodbye :^(
>
> Lance
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 3/4/12, Chris <cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Chris <cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-wiki-docs] [Lubuntu-qa] Non-pae testing
> To: "Phill Whiteside" <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> Cc: lubuntu-wiki-docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=lubuntu-wiki-docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> "Lance" <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx <http://mc/compose?to=lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>>,
> "Steven" <stenten@xxxxxxxxx <http://mc/compose?to=stenten@xxxxxxxxx>>
> Date: Sunday, March 4, 2012, 12:38 PM
>
>
> Aloha,
>
> That tasksel might be a bit beginner friendly, however did anyone test
> already if Lubuntu Desktop is even added to that? We've only become
> official this release, that might mean someone could have overlooked it.
> Note that it will take a lot more from our side in terms of documentation.
> Giving a more step by step guidance.
>
> Something to think about.
>
> @Steven: let us know how things will progress.
>
> With metta, Chris
> On Mar 3, 2012 12:09 PM, "Phill Whiteside" <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Lance,
>
> Chris is team leader for the wiki / docs team [1], as I'm also a member of
> that team we do still chat to each other :)
>
> I've cc'd them this email.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
> [1] https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-wiki-docs
>
> On 2 March 2012 20:24, Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
>
> I'm working on things, how much documentation do we need?
>
> I think a very brief how-to regarding upgrades from Oneiric to Precise.
> But we all know that upgrades can be problematic depending on
> customization, hardware, etc.
>
> When it comes down to the the mini.iso we used to provide very limited
> details regarding the minimal install:
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
>
> None of that is wrong but I think we should be able to use "Install" and
> 'tasksel'. Or should we go CLI? Or do we need to provide details for both
> methods?
>
> If we go with 'tasksel' I like this guide:
>
> http://xbmcmediacenter.com/how-to-install-ubuntu-mini-iso/
>
> But I have a few concerns:
>
> (1) Regarding "hostname" I think we need to better explain that it's the
> same as Computer Name using the live CD, ie:
>
> This is the name used to identify the computer on your network, if you're
> used to using the live installer it's simply called "computer name" there
> and it's created for you when you enter your full name and user name, eg;
>
> If your full name is "John Smith", and you keep the user name "john" your
> computer name will typically be something like "john-desktop".
>
> (2) HTTP proxy. I've never had to set one up, most users won't. How do we
> explain that?
>
> (3) Partitioning! How much should we say? At least "use largest continuous
> space" still exists in the Debian installer ;^)
>
> (4) Regarding encryption I don't know what to say, I've never done so.
>
> (5) UTC clock settings still exists in the alternate install images but
> not in the netboot installs I've tried. Do we need to mention anything here?
>
> I think PhillW is our main documentation guy so I think it's ultimately up
> to him to decide what the documentation says, sorry Phill :^)
>
> But I also wanted to be able to create a bootable USB flash drive with the
> mini.iso image and while it was possible using grub and "dd" I found it
> unreliable, and we all know "dd" can be hazardous to existing data.
>
> So I kept exploring and it's fairly easy to create a bootable mini.iso
> with UNetbootin. Downright easy to create a Oneiric image, a tiny bit more
> complicated to create Precise image due to the need to understand file
> paths, but much safer than using "dd" from CLI.
>
> So I contacted the UNetbootin dev and asked if they'd provide both
> standard and non-pae images in their available downloads. We'll have to be
> patient for a reply.
>
> What does everyone think so far?
>
> If you wish you can follow the conversation here at the forums:
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1924455
>
> Sorry if I'm just being a pain in the neck,
>
> Lance
>
> PS: All of my hardware runs the PAE kernel just fine so we will need a
> non-pae tester at some point, but I know how to look and see what kernel
> packages are installed, what's running, etc.
>
> --- On *Thu, 3/1/12, Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Lubuntu-qa] Non-pae testing
> To: lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 1:39 PM
>
>
> As the subject says.
>
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