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[o jordan <ojordan12345@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Phil,
 
I've done all I can to help you guys.  It is pointless me talking to ubuntu-X since I'm pretty sure I know what is going on.  I've explained it what seems like a million times now.
 
Most radeon bugs hang off this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1040526
 
With the recent regression of the radeon driver (21st of Sept If memory serves correct), then (according to my computer) the current kernel setup is the best setup for radeon PowerPC at the moment.   However, regardless of whatever kernel setup you use, most users will still have to add a boot parameter.  This will be the case for the foreseeable future.
 
There is absolutely no reason to fail PPC over the radeon issue.  It is not a big deal.  It is easy to fix.  The workaround is documented (and had been when the problem started back in August). Can we please put the radeon/nouveau problems into perspective.....
 
Non-powerpc users with the same cards (radeon 9200) have been told to use the nomodeset boot parameter in Oneiric, Precise and Quantal (see release notes).  Their ISOs did not fail over the use of a boot parameter, and nor should PowerPC. (Just to be clear I'm not saying 'nomodeset' is the parameter to use on radeon PowerPC) So far you've only identified one nvidia card on one machine that doesn't work.  One swallow doesn't make a summer, yet you are prepared to write off every nvidia machine based on this.  It is hardly uncommon for the nouveau driver not to work with nvidia cards.  How often do you read 'nomodeset' being suggested to people, yet the ISOs of 'official' architectures were still released?  The difference with PPC is that 'nomodeset' will throw you into a 16 colour setup.  This is because the openfirmware framebuffer is limited to just 16 colours (in other words it is a limitation of the PowerPC hardware).  It is possible to workaround this using a different framebuffer (and I'm again like a broken record here ..... the instructions are in the PowerPC FAQ).  It is easier to do this using the alternate CD, but it is also possible using the live/desktop ISO.  Nouveau and radeon are not the only cards used by PowerPC.  Early Apple machines used Ati Rage and Rage 128 cards and these are the machines that Lubuntu is best suited for. As far as I'm concerned the current PowerPC setup is the best it can be.  The only change I still would like is for the boot message to be reviewed.   In my email to Colin Watson I said that no boot parameter should be suggested, but instead people directed to the PowerPC FAQ and Known Issues pages were they can get detailed and current advice. I repeat again, there is no reason to fail PowerPC that you have identified. Regards Adam  
 

 
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 00:20:28 +0100
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Fwd: lubuntu powerpc desktop 20120928 SUCCESS
From: PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx
To: rm2892@xxxxxxxxx
CC: lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ojordan12345@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hiyas,
@Adam,. I would really prefer that you take on the chat to ubuntu-X over this. If this is not possible, can you put up on one of the various bug reports the email information that has been discussed and point me to the bug number that I need to nag over.

The lubuntu PPC testers are all heading out to "this specific set of instructions works for me"  May I repeat.... UNLESS THERE IS A GENERIC PROPOSAL TO THE PROBLEMS, THERE WILL BE NO FIX == NO 12.10 PPC Release.

That's me on a quiet day.... I don't have a PPC computer, so you guys need to herd together and get a proposal that I put up stream, else there will not be a 12.10 release.... lose 12.10, then the chances of 13.04 are slightly less than zero.


Regards,
Phill.

On 1 October 2012 23:59, Ron Mitchell <rm2892@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:





Yes, it works here.
 
Ron Mitchell


 

From: Phill Whiteside 
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 3:18 PM
To: lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 

Cc: o jordan 
Subject: [Lubuntu-qa] Fwd: lubuntu powerpc desktop 20120928 
SUCCESS
 
hiyas, 

 
Can you give a "test this" and confirm if it works. As you are more than 
aware, if I am to approach an up stream group then all the individual 'I got it 
to work for my computer' means exactly zero. What is required is a fix that 
works for all.
 
PPC is running out of time, you have 'fixes' but I really need details that 
are generic. For that I do  really ask that you do concentrate on the 
generic instructions. There is no way that thirty different ISOs will be 
released. I do ask that you all concentrate on the issues for the two graphics 
cards. 
 
Regards,
 
Phill.

 


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