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[Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>]

hiyas,

As you were not in #ubuntu-testing this evening, let me give a quick
update. the nVidia kernel fix does not fix all nVidia cards. In fact, we
had a really crazy situation where the current Lubuntu iso works fine, but
the Ubuntu one does not. As this bug was not PPC specific, but seen on a
couple of other flavours and archs, I'd fight to my last breath against any
inclination that would make it a  'NO GO' for Lubuntu 12.10 PPC.

for the X-org issue, I agree 100% with asking Colin to make a link to the
PPCFAQ area. As you say, it is easily fixed. The L-PPC people are being
asked to check your ever so simple solution on the X-org bug [1]. You never
know, maybe, just maybe, #ubuntu-x will get fed up of being nagged to death
and include what is a simple fix (Like yourself, I'm not going to hold my
breath!).

Thanks,

Phill.
1.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1058641



On 2 October 2012 21:03, o jordan <ojordan12345@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  Phil,
>
> I've done all I can to help you guys.  It is pointless me talking to
> ubuntu-X since I'm pretty sure I know what is going on.  I've explained it
> what seems like a million times now.
>
> Most radeon bugs hang off this one
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1040526
>
> With the recent regression of the radeon driver (21st of Sept If memory
> serves correct), then (according to my computer) the current kernel setup
> is the best setup for radeon PowerPC at the moment.   However, regardless
> of whatever kernel setup you use, most users will still have to add a boot
> parameter.  This will be the case for the foreseeable future.
>
> There is absolutely no reason to fail PPC over the radeon issue.  It is
> not a big deal.  It is easy to fix.  The workaround is documented (and had
> been when the problem started back in August).
>
> Can we please put the radeon/nouveau problems into perspective.....
>
> Non-powerpc users with the same cards (radeon 9200) have been told to use
> the nomodeset boot parameter in Oneiric, Precise and Quantal (see release
> notes).  Their ISOs did not fail over the use of a boot parameter, and nor
> should PowerPC. (Just to be clear I'm not saying 'nomodeset' is the
> parameter to use on radeon PowerPC)
>
> So far you've only identified one nvidia card on one machine that doesn't
> work.  One swallow doesn't make a summer, yet you are prepared to write off
> every nvidia machine based on this.  It is hardly uncommon for the nouveau
> driver not to work with nvidia cards.  How often do you read 'nomodeset'
> being suggested to people, yet the ISOs of 'official' architectures were
> still released?  The difference with PPC is that 'nomodeset' will throw you
> into a 16 colour setup.  This is because the openfirmware framebuffer is
> limited to just 16 colours (in other words it is a limitation of the
> PowerPC hardware).  It is possible to workaround this using a different
> framebuffer (and I'm again like a broken record here ..... the instructions
> are in the PowerPC FAQ).  It is easier to do this using the alternate CD,
> but it is also possible using the live/desktop ISO.
>
> Nouveau and radeon are not the only cards used by PowerPC.  Early Apple
> machines used Ati Rage and Rage 128 cards and these are the machines that
> Lubuntu is best suited for.
>
> As far as I'm concerned the current PowerPC setup is the best it can be.
> The only change I still would like is for the boot message to be
> reviewed.   In my email to Colin Watson I said that no boot parameter
> should be suggested, but instead people directed to the PowerPC FAQ and
> Known Issues pages were they can get detailed and current advice.
>
> I repeat again, there is no reason to fail PowerPC that you have
> identified.
>
> Regards
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 00:20:28 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Fwd: lubuntu powerpc desktop 20120928 SUCCESS
> From: PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: rm2892@xxxxxxxxx
> CC: lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ojordan12345@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> Hiyas,
>
> @Adam,. I would really prefer that you take on the chat to ubuntu-X over
> this. If this is not possible, can you put up on one of the various bug
> reports the email information that has been discussed and point me to the
> bug number that I need to nag over.
>
> The lubuntu PPC testers are all heading out to "this specific set of
> instructions works for me"  May I repeat.... *UNLESS THERE IS A GENERIC
> PROPOSAL TO THE PROBLEMS, THERE WILL BE NO FIX == NO 12.10 PPC Release.*
> *
> *
> That's me on a quiet day.... I don't have a PPC computer, so you guys need
> to herd together and get a proposal that I put up stream, else there will
> not be a 12.10 release.... lose 12.10, then the chances of 13.04 are
> slightly less than zero.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
> On 1 October 2012 23:59, Ron Mitchell <rm2892@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>   Yes, it works here.
>
> Ron Mitchell
>
>  *From:* Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 01, 2012 3:18 PM
> *To:* lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Cc:* o jordan <ojordan12345@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Subject:* [Lubuntu-qa] Fwd: lubuntu powerpc desktop 20120928 SUCCESS
>
> hiyas,
>
> Can you give a "test this" and confirm if it works. As you are more than
> aware, if I am to approach an up stream group then all the individual 'I
> got it to work for my computer' means exactly zero. What is required is a
> fix that works for all.
>
> PPC is running out of time, you have 'fixes' but I really need details
> that are generic. For that I do  really ask that you do concentrate on the
> generic instructions. There is no way that thirty different ISOs will be
> released. I do ask that you all concentrate on the issues for the two
> graphics cards.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
>
>
>
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