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I agree with Adam. Whatever the appropriate boot parameter is, that's all you need to fix the problem. We can quibble about that later. Meanwhile, change the boot message and have it point at the PowerPCFAQ and we'll go from there.

The nVidia one is going to take some effort. I've asked Johnathan and anyone else I don't know in lubuntu-qa with a nVidia card to help out. I'll see what we can do. Unfortunately, with this, I haven't found a work around like a good boot parameter.

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On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 21:47:48 +0100
Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> hiyas,
> 
> As you were not in #ubuntu-testing this evening, let me give a quick
> update. the nVidia kernel fix does not fix all nVidia cards. In fact, we
> had a really crazy situation where the current Lubuntu iso works fine, but
> the Ubuntu one does not. As this bug was not PPC specific, but seen on a
> couple of other flavours and archs, I'd fight to my last breath against any
> inclination that would make it a  'NO GO' for Lubuntu 12.10 PPC.
> 
> for the X-org issue, I agree 100% with asking Colin to make a link to the
> PPCFAQ area. As you say, it is easily fixed. The L-PPC people are being
> asked to check your ever so simple solution on the X-org bug [1]. You never
> know, maybe, just maybe, #ubuntu-x will get fed up of being nagged to death
> and include what is a simple fix (Like yourself, I'm not going to hold my
> breath!).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Phill.
> 1.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1058641
> 
> 
> 
> On 2 October 2012 21:03, o jordan <ojordan12345@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> >  Phil,
> >
> > I've done all I can to help you guys.  It is pointless me talking to
> > ubuntu-X since I'm pretty sure I know what is going on.  I've explained it
> > what seems like a million times now.
> >
> > Most radeon bugs hang off this one
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1040526
> >
> > With the recent regression of the radeon driver (21st of Sept If memory
> > serves correct), then (according to my computer) the current kernel setup
> > is the best setup for radeon PowerPC at the moment.   However, regardless
> > of whatever kernel setup you use, most users will still have to add a boot
> > parameter.  This will be the case for the foreseeable future.
> >
> > There is absolutely no reason to fail PPC over the radeon issue.  It is
> > not a big deal.  It is easy to fix.  The workaround is documented (and had
> > been when the problem started back in August).
> >
> > Can we please put the radeon/nouveau problems into perspective.....
> >
> > Non-powerpc users with the same cards (radeon 9200) have been told to use
> > the nomodeset boot parameter in Oneiric, Precise and Quantal (see release
> > notes).  Their ISOs did not fail over the use of a boot parameter, and nor
> > should PowerPC. (Just to be clear I'm not saying 'nomodeset' is the
> > parameter to use on radeon PowerPC)
> >
> > So far you've only identified one nvidia card on one machine that doesn't
> > work.  One swallow doesn't make a summer, yet you are prepared to write off
> > every nvidia machine based on this.  It is hardly uncommon for the nouveau
> > driver not to work with nvidia cards.  How often do you read 'nomodeset'
> > being suggested to people, yet the ISOs of 'official' architectures were
> > still released?  The difference with PPC is that 'nomodeset' will throw you
> > into a 16 colour setup.  This is because the openfirmware framebuffer is
> > limited to just 16 colours (in other words it is a limitation of the
> > PowerPC hardware).  It is possible to workaround this using a different
> > framebuffer (and I'm again like a broken record here ..... the instructions
> > are in the PowerPC FAQ).  It is easier to do this using the alternate CD,
> > but it is also possible using the live/desktop ISO.
> >
> > Nouveau and radeon are not the only cards used by PowerPC.  Early Apple
> > machines used Ati Rage and Rage 128 cards and these are the machines that
> > Lubuntu is best suited for.
> >
> > As far as I'm concerned the current PowerPC setup is the best it can be.
> > The only change I still would like is for the boot message to be
> > reviewed.   In my email to Colin Watson I said that no boot parameter
> > should be suggested, but instead people directed to the PowerPC FAQ and
> > Known Issues pages were they can get detailed and current advice.
> >
> > I repeat again, there is no reason to fail PowerPC that you have
> > identified.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 00:20:28 +0100
> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Fwd: lubuntu powerpc desktop 20120928 SUCCESS
> > From: PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx
> > To: rm2892@xxxxxxxxx
> > CC: lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ojordan12345@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > Hiyas,
> >
> > @Adam,. I would really prefer that you take on the chat to ubuntu-X over
> > this. If this is not possible, can you put up on one of the various bug
> > reports the email information that has been discussed and point me to the
> > bug number that I need to nag over.
> >
> > The lubuntu PPC testers are all heading out to "this specific set of
> > instructions works for me"  May I repeat.... *UNLESS THERE IS A GENERIC
> > PROPOSAL TO THE PROBLEMS, THERE WILL BE NO FIX == NO 12.10 PPC Release.*
> > *
> > *
> > That's me on a quiet day.... I don't have a PPC computer, so you guys need
> > to herd together and get a proposal that I put up stream, else there will
> > not be a 12.10 release.... lose 12.10, then the chances of 13.04 are
> > slightly less than zero.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Phill.
> >
> > On 1 October 2012 23:59, Ron Mitchell <rm2892@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >   Yes, it works here.
> >
> > Ron Mitchell
> >
> >  *From:* Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > *Sent:* Monday, October 01, 2012 3:18 PM
> > *To:* lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > *Cc:* o jordan <ojordan12345@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > *Subject:* [Lubuntu-qa] Fwd: lubuntu powerpc desktop 20120928 SUCCESS
> >
> > hiyas,
> >
> > Can you give a "test this" and confirm if it works. As you are more than
> > aware, if I am to approach an up stream group then all the individual 'I
> > got it to work for my computer' means exactly zero. What is required is a
> > fix that works for all.
> >
> > PPC is running out of time, you have 'fixes' but I really need details
> > that are generic. For that I do  really ask that you do concentrate on the
> > generic instructions. There is no way that thirty different ISOs will be
> > released. I do ask that you all concentrate on the issues for the two
> > graphics cards.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Phill.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> 
> 
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