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[Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Lance,

the Friday -> Thursday cycle was suggested by one of the L-QA team so it
was me that added it to the Doc. In the meeting it was accepted that it was
the better one to take and has been adopted.

For stability testing, as 13.04 will basically be a 'rolling release' up to
the 1st Beta milestone; when the Devs drop in a new 'toy' they will let the
testers know instead of us having to be logged onto the bot that announces
stuff on -testing and -release. This task Nicholas will be finalising with
the devs / release teams as a part of "what came out of UDS". As I stated
earlier, cadence testing was a beta in 'Q', lessons have been learned and
will continue to be learned during 'R'.

Upgrade always seems to slip under the radar as we don't have an LTS, but I
do totally agree that it should be given a little bit of tender loving care
by the testers. Now that my lubuntu machine has been rebuilt I can enter
into the fun of checking that an upgrade works, but they do arrive just as
we are testing the RC version, some earlier testing will certainly not go
amiss.

The change to cadence makes more work for testers, of that there is no
doubt. The plus side, however, of allowing the devs to dev & the bug
squashers to go squash is a much more sane way of doing things. No more the
message 'frozen for 7 days- no updates allowed' ... That alone, was taking
3 weeks out of dev time simply for the alphas.

Test cases are being re-viewed, we did a lot during the 'Q' cycle in terms
of getting them transferred to a new format, tidying up things etc. [1] But
the work is in no way finished, there is a lot to do. The big difference is
that the test cases are now driven by the testers... aka you good people.
If a test case does not make sense, file a bug against it! We even have a
'file a bug against this test case' there. Do not for one minute think that
you will get 'negative marks' for doing so. You are the guys carrying out
the tests, so tell us when the test case needs amending!

Regards,

Phill.
1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TestcaseUpdates


On 30 October 2012 21:08, Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> My thoughts on this are largely positive. When I look at the linked doc I
> see Nicholas addressed a couple of my concerns:
>
> # stability -- non-developer centric scheduling and testing; code was
> caught in an untestable state during planned testing
>
> # Should we target specific packages for testing inclusion as part of
> cadence weeks?
>
> That said I'm not entirely sure what the test cycle is going to be other
> than "every two weeks" during what we'd previously called "alpha". I'm not
> the brightest bulb on the tree and referring to "Sunday - Saturday/Friday -
> Thursday" is a bit confusing to me :^)
>
> Somewhat off-topic but it was mentioned in a previous message that some
> installation test-cases were changing. I think that's great!
>
> I've never used LVM or full disk encryption but we'd long neglected the
> upgrade/reinstall via live CD/DVD/USB options which I've actually found to
> be a truly great option since Maverick ;^)
>
> I just hope they keep Nicholas where he is! He seems to listen and he's
> open to change when and where change is needed.
>
> Lance
>
> PS: I've been doing some Precise 'abiword' testing:
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2074321
>
> Julien came to the rescue but i need a few more days to figure out a few
> things because we have to consider potential effects on all of the other
> flavors ;^)
>
> --- On *Tue, 10/30/12, Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle
> To: lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: "Julien Lavergne" <gilir@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tuesday, October 30, 2012, 12:54 PM
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> apologies for the zero notice on this, I was part way through drafting
> something up when I got distracted over our test-cases!
>
> I've attached the ether-pad (in html format to preserve the links) which
> has the various links on it for Cadence testing. It was agreed that we will
> do Fri - Thur testing instead of Sun - Sat in order not to split a weekend
> up.
>
> To surmise, cadence testing will last for 7 days and be carried out
> fortnightly - as you can see from the attached document, Nicholas has some
> tasks to carry out to ready the wiki area for the calendar / reporting etc.
> It makes good sense for us to follow what 'main' Ubuntu are doing in terms
> of testing time tables and with cadence we do not have the mad scurry to
> get milestone releases out early in the cycle. During cadence the daily
> images will continue to be built and simply replace the cadence version on
> the iso tracker - So, it will be important to zsync before doing testing.
>
> Cadence was 'beta' tested by Ubuntu in the 'Q' cycle and the lessons
> learned are to be applied for 'R'. If you good people who do the grunt work
> of the testing have any questions do please ask (and I'll go ask Nicholas
> :P ).
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On 30 October 2012 15:54, Julien Lavergne <gilir@xxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=gilir@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> As you may know, Alphas will be dropped for Ubuntu ISOs, and it's up to
> the flavors to decide if they want to keep the Alphas or not. Instead, it
> will be replace by a cadence testing, meaning we can be free to organize
> the daily testing, and only have Beta 1, Beta 2 and Final release with the
> classic process. Personnaly, I think it's a good idea, since Alpha are
> basicly a snapshot of the current developpement with a bit more testing.
>
> As you are the people who do the actual testing, what do you think about
> it ?
>
> Thanks in advance for your feedback.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
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