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[Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi guys,

as you will well know, things are changing. As a part of if 13.04 will
actually happen I've been trying to find out as I don't want you guys to
waste your valuable time testing stuff that will not be released. This came
to head after the UDS session as to what will happen. Below is my log with
jono from whom I tried to get a definitive answer for the testing teams, it
did not go well....




>    -
>    - Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Whilst
>    the UDS for what happens with rolling releases, potential of dropping 13.04
>    etc. Would it be out of order for the Ubuntu Community Manager to actually
>    give us an update of what is happening? I love BBQ ribs like the next
>    person, but I have community teams asking WTF is going on. To them, I have
>    no answer. To you I ask.
>    Regards,
>    Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside>
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>    Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> woah!
>    relax a little. We literally just started discussing it this week and it is
>    just a proposal, nothing is confirmed or cast in stone - there is a lot of
>    discussion that needs to happen before we make any potential changes along
>    those lines. Patience is your friend.
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>    Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono Bacon<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> whilst
>    it has just been begun to be discussed, the 'news' and general chat areas
>    have been squealing with the "lets's make some breaking news".. As a
>    tester, and a Team Leader of testers... May I suggest that when the
>    un-official news channels are blazing with FUDD, and there is no 'official'
>    news coming out, that people who care start to feel like mushrooms... fed
>    bull-shit and kept in the dark.
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>    Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> I
>    don't understand what you mean by "let's make some breaking news". It is
>    pretty simple: an idea for a release management change was proposed to
>    ubuntu-devel, and now we need to have a detailed, focused, and
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>    Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Have a read
>    of
>    https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-March/thread.html
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>     and then yesterdays meeting. All I ask is a decision? I have people
>    asking and I cannot give answers. It gets even worse if you go to Feb...
>    *The ubuntu-devel March 2013 Archive by thread<https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-March/thread.html>
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>    *
>    lists.ubuntu.com
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>    Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<http://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> dude,
>    how many times do I have to say this - there will be some time before we
>    can make a final decision - you don't make changes like this lightly. If
>    people are asking you for a decision, tell 'em to slow their roll a little
>    until the discussion has run it's course.
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>    Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono Bacon<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> and
>    has anyone from canonical made that call?
>    http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21683/community-1303-rolling-release/
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>     says not.
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>    *Should Ubuntu adopt a monthly cadence/rolling release?<http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21683/community-1303-rolling-release/>
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>    *
>    summit.ubuntu.com
>    It has been proposed that Ubuntu adopt a rolling release model + LTS
>    instead of ...See more
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>    Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono Bacon<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> We
>    don;t. at this time even know if there will be a 13.04 release. I do think
>    it is time to "get a grip" and make decisions.
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>    Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<http://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> you
>    are obviously not reading what I am writing here - I am going to say this
>    one...last...time - no decision has been made yet because the discussion
>    has not finished yet, we are just at the beginning. You continually keep
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>    Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono Bacon<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> and
>    you are obviously not reading the public logs that others are reading... A
>    UDS session does hold a lot of sway for news when the teams are discussing.
>    It is for such a simple thing that all the uncertainty is following. Please
>    read the log of the meeting and then tell me how anyone following it would
>    have the faintest idea as to how things for release are going to happen?
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>    Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<http://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> watch
>    the video - I was *in* that meeting. As I said, I am not going to continue
>    on this circular discussion, refer to my previous comments.
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>    Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono Bacon<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> and
>    when will you give the final decision that Canonical make?
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>    Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<http://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> when
>    the decision is made, hopefully in the next month or so.
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>    Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> Jono Bacon<https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> which,
>    if you appreciate, does not help me, or other team leaders, for quality /
>    testing side to have things done. People will just walk away if they feel
>    their work is is in vain. I'm sorry to nag, but I spent a lot of time
>    getting the testing team together & your answer is simply not good enough
>    for me to keep them on board.
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>    Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> It is not
>    too hard... will 13.04 happen?
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>    Jono Bacon <https://www.facebook.com/jonobacon> Phill Whiteside<http://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> well,
>    sorry you are dissatisfied, but it is what it is - significant changes in
>    community development and release processes take time to discuss and
>    finalize as a community. You will just have to wait. And with this, I am
>    going to wrap up this discussion. Take care!
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>    Phill Whiteside <https://www.facebook.com/phill.whiteside> and you.
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Well, I'm going to cease testing and await the announcement, QA is no
longer a part of the discussion.

Regards,

Phill.


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