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[Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Nicholas. Sometimes I can be a little thick :^(

Lance

--- On Thu, 4/18/13, Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.skaggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.skaggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] New upgrade test - via live image
> To: "Lance" <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thursday, April 18, 2013, 9:16 AM
> Lance, though we speak English on the
> internet, it's not always the 
> native language for people. I think Dmitrijs was trying to
> say for 
> 13.04, the final image won't offer any upgrades for a 13.04
> 
> installation. Right now it will. So in other words:
> 
> Right now:
>      Upgrade 12.10, 13.04
> 
> At Release:
>      Upgrade 12.10
> 
> Nicholas
> 
> On 04/17/2013 06:53 PM, Lance wrote:
> > I dunno :^(
> >
> > At one point Dmitrijs says, "for the final released
> 13.04 image and installs of 13.04, it should
> > not offer any "upgrade" options", but in the next
> sentence he says, "13.04 released final image should only
> > offer upgrades for 12.10 installations and older".
> >
> > So I'm totally confused.
> >
> > Lance
> >
> > --- On Wed, 4/17/13, Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.skaggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.skaggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] New upgrade test - via
> live image
> >> To: "Lance" <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> Cc: lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 5:42 PM
> >> Lance, the testcase in question
> >> covers using the raring install cd to
> >> "upgrade" a quantal installation. That's supported,
> valid,
> >> and should be
> >> tested :-)
> >>
> >> That lines up with the comment on the bug as well.
> Right?
> >>
> >> Nicholas
> >>
> >> On 04/17/2013 06:17 PM, Lance wrote:
> >>> I think my method of communication is the
> problem.
> >>>
> >>> We now offer two upgrade tests:
> >>>
> >>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/41978/testcases
> >>>
> >>> That's true for all flavors.
> >>>
> >>> The one titled "Upgrade" is fine.
> >>>
> >>> The one I found problematic was the one titled
> "Upgrade
> >> (image)".
> >>> Now look here:
> >>>
> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1101073/comments/3
> >>>
> >>> At the end you'll see, "for the final released
> 13.04
> >> image and installs of 13.04, it should not offer
> any
> >> "upgrade" options. 13.04 released final image
> should only
> >> offer upgrades for 12.10 installations and older.
> >>> At the moment this is the desired design and
> >> expectation."
> >>> So I assume that all of the "Upgrade (image)"
> tests
> >> should be removed from the tracker.
> >>> Lance
> >>>
> >>> --- On Wed, 4/17/13, Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.skaggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> From: Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.skaggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] New upgrade test
> - via
> >> live image
> >>>> To: "Lance" <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Cc: lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 4:20 PM
> >>>> This is relevant here perhaps:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2013-March/002262.html
> >>>>
> >>>> The upgrade tests are intended to test the
> previous
> >> (stable)
> >>>> release to
> >>>> the current (dev) release. As xnox noted
> the
> >> ability to
> >>>> upgrade in-place
> >>>> for a dev version exists, but imho we don't
> want to
> >> test or
> >>>> support such
> >>>> a thing. The supported path is from stable
> to
> >> stable, via
> >>>> lts to lts or
> >>>> previous to next stable. If your running
> the
> >> development
> >>>> version like we
> >>>> all do :-), images are important to test to
> ensure
> >>>> installation happen
> >>>> properly and the installer is working
> correctly.
> >> Obviously
> >>>> we don't want
> >>>> in-cycle upgrade issues, but if they exist,
> they
> >> will only
> >>>> affect the
> >>>> testing users (if we went rolling, this
> would all
> >> be
> >>>> different/matter
> >>>> :-) ). As such, in-cycle upgrades aren't an
> issue
> >> for a
> >>>> final release --
> >>>> we want to ensure the previous->current
> upgrade
> >> path
> >>>> works well. In
> >>>> other words, for all intents and purposes,
> it
> >> doesn't matter
> >>>> if the Jan
> >>>> 18th iso install clean upgrades with
> today's iso or
> >> not --
> >>>> so long as
> >>>> quantal does so :-) Note that of course, it
> matters
> >> to some
> >>>> of us brave
> >>>> development release users, but I'm speaking
> for the
> >> majority
> >>>> of folks
> >>>> who run stable ;-).
> >>>>
> >>>> Make sense?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Nicholas
> >>>>
> >>>> On 04/17/2013 04:06 PM, Lance wrote:
> >>>>> Major change if I'm reading this
> right:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1101073/comments/3
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "for the final released 13.04 image
> and
> >> installs of
> >>>> 13.04, it should not offer any "upgrade"
> options.
> >> 13.04
> >>>> released final image should only offer
> upgrades for
> >> 12.10
> >>>> installations and older.
> >>>>> At the moment this is the desired
> design and
> >>>> expectation."
> >>>>> So maybe that upgrade test should be
> removed
> >>>> altogether???
> >>>>> Lance
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- On Tue, 4/16/13, Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> From: Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] New
> upgrade test
> >> - via
> >>>> live image
> >>>>>> To: "Nicholas Skaggs" <nicholas.skaggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> >>>> lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 9:57
> PM
> >>>>>> Just thought to add;
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If we move it to the desktop image
> testing
> >> it
> >>>> should
> >>>>>> possibly be "optional" rather than
> >> "mandatory".
> >>>>>> But my original point, which I did
> a poor
> >> job of
> >>>> explaining,
> >>>>>> is that upgrading via the live
> image is
> >> very much
> >>>> dependent
> >>>>>> on the date the image was produced
> rather
> >> than a
> >>>> "weekly"
> >>>>>> cycle :^)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Lance
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --- On Tue, 4/16/13, Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> Subject: [Lubuntu-qa] New
> upgrade test
> >> - via
> >>>> live
> >>>>>> image
> >>>>>>> To: "Nicholas Skaggs" <nicholas.skaggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> >>>>>> lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013,
> 9:41 PM
> >>>>>>> Just to catch everyone up on
> the
> >>>>>>> basics; beginning with
> Maverick
> >> ubiquity began
> >>>> offering
> >>>>>> an
> >>>>>>> upgrade path that's quite
> different
> >> than both
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> standard
> >>>>>>> upgrade via the update-mangler
> or via
> >> the
> >>>> alternate
> >>>>>> image.
> >>>>>>> Basically, based on my own
> experience,
> >> this
> >>>> option will
> >>>>>> only
> >>>>>>> be offered if you have only one
> Ubuntu
> >> based
> >>>> distro
> >>>>>>> installed. So if you're
> multi-booting
> >> two or
> >>>> more
> >>>>>> Ubuntu
> >>>>>>> based distros (like Xubuntu
> and
> >> Lubuntu) you'll
> >>>> never
> >>>>>> see
> >>>>>>> it, but I have still seen the
> option if
> >> I'm
> >>>>>> dual-booting
> >>>>>>> with either Windows or Fedora.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyway if you look at Upgrade
> Lubuntu
> >> on the
> >>>> QA
> >>>>>> Tracker
> >>>>>>> you'll now see two tests:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/41978/testcases
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The one that's called "Upgrade
> (image)"
> >> is the
> >>>> one I'm
> >>>>>>> talking about ;^)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So what's the problem?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well, having it lumped into
> standard
> >> upgrade
> >>>> testing
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>>> first see this page where it
> says,
> >> "This build
> >>>> is valid
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>>> a week, starting on 2013/04/12
> at 21:00
> >> UTC
> >>>> and
> >>>>>> finishing on
> >>>>>>> 2013/04/19 at 21:00 UTC.":
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/41978/testcases/1498/results
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You can of course read more on
> the
> >> testcase
> >>>> specific
> >>>>>> page:
> >>>>>>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1498/info
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So I'm thinking that this
> live-image
> >> upgrade
> >>>> test
> >>>>>> should
> >>>>>>> actually be moved from the
> "Upgrade
> >> Lubuntu"
> >>>> section to
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> Desktop images tests
> ............ but
> >> I'm just
> >>>> thinking
> >>>>>> out
> >>>>>>> loud ATM.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That's why I'm not filing a bug
> against
> >> the
> >>>> tracker, I
> >>>>>> felt
> >>>>>>> it best to have an open
> discussion
> >> before doing
> >>>> so.
> >>>>>>> Particularly since this is
> something
> >> rather new
> >>>> to
> >>>>>> most
> >>>>>>> testers.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Lance
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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