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[Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Jonathan,

apart from long time, no chat & I hope you are well, what I mean is elder
computer hardware. I'm sorry if this was not evident in my earlier post.
Are, for example, the PPC users going to be dropped BEFORE 14.04, or, are
we going to support them as LTS.

Regards,

Phill.

On 26 April 2013 04:30, Jonathan Nadeau <j.nadeau@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  By flavors do you mean Desktop environments? Is so I've tried them all
> and can tell you what I know.
>
>
>  On 04/25/2013 09:33 PM, Jackson Doak wrote:
>
> not to take focus away from lubuntu here, but  jonathan and fernado, could
> you both try all of the flavours and try and find bugs in the accessablity
> stuff?
>
>
>  On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Jonathan Nadeau <j.nadeau@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>>  I third Fernando's suggestion for accessibility both he and I are blind
>> GNU/Linux users and would love to see Lubuntu accessible. I've done a lot
>> of work with it and have most of it accessible. The only problem I have
>> right now is making the panel accessible to the Orca screen reader. There
>> aren't a lot of changes that  need to be made to get it as accessible as I
>> have it now. I would like to put off the Razor QT desktop for a while. I
>> have tested it and it is some what accessible but needs a lot of work. I
>> think in the next year it can improve greatly. At some point if anyone
>> wants to know what i did to get lubuntu accessible let me know and we can
>> talk. Thanks for all of your hard work on this project.
>>
>>    On 04/25/2013 08:49 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>>
>> Hi Boss,
>>
>>  we did discuss, and finally went with a new desktop system once before.
>> Provided, as then, we have a Plan 'B' (which we used), I'm sure none of the
>> testers will have issues. (Well, they can scream at me! )
>>
>>  As one of the comments here has said. You fully know that one of my
>> goals is for lubuntu to have full accessibility 'out of the box'. People
>> needing accessibility are so often forgotten, or needing specifications of
>> machines far beyond their budgets.
>>
>>  The 'older, older' computers may not be around in 2017 if we do make an
>> LTS 14.04 which still supports them, let's ensure that these people know
>> that they will not be abandoned.
>>
>>  Documentation on the CD... A whole new can of worms... how much room is
>> spare on the CD and how many languages can we have it translated into? It
>> is obviously possible and I look forward to discussing that further.
>>
>>  But?..... Go For It !!!!
>>
>>  Regards,
>>
>>  Phill.
>>
>>
>> On 26 April 2013 00:52, Julien Lavergne <gilir@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> First and following Phill, I want to thank you all for this 13.04
>>> release. Releases after releases, it seems to go smoother than the
>>> last one :-)
>>>
>>> However, it's time to think about the future. During the last cycle,
>>> there were a lot of news from Canonical about the future of Ubuntu.
>>> Lubuntu is part of the family, so every big changes in Ubuntu affect
>>> Lubuntu. However, and I want to make it clear for anyone : Lubuntu is
>>> a community project, with its own release schedules, its own choices …
>>>
>>> That's said, let's go with some ideas :-) What I'm going to say, it's
>>> a very long proposal, open for discussions. But discussions mean
>>> arguments if you have another opinion ;-)
>>>
>>> Next steps are 13.10, and 14.04 which should be a LTS version for
>>> Ubuntu. Last LTS (12.04), I considered that we were not ready for such
>>> commitment. I was also unsure of the work needed to make a good LTS.
>>> With more experience, I have now a better vision of this goal.
>>>
>>> So, let's make it simple, I would like Lubuntu 14.04 to be a LTS version.
>>>
>>> But claiming we want a LTS its' not enough. First, we need to make it
>>> stable enough, so we can safely claim it's a LTS, because people who
>>> install a LTS want a stable system. But, I also would like to make it
>>> sexy enough to be proud of it, to make people happy to recommend it. I
>>> would like to make it THE release of Lubuntu, the reference of all
>>> Lubuntu releases. To achieve it, I have several goals in mind, items
>>> that I consider we need to finish for the LTS, and I think we can
>>> finish them :
>>>
>>> - Finish lxsession, to make the system fully customizable and able to
>>> run minimal set of applications by default (I'll talk about it later,
>>> when you will be able to test it properly).
>>> - Fully translatable : it's vital to make it available in a maximum of
>>> languages
>>> - Artwork : finish the icon theme for a GTK environment, finish the
>>> other pieces of the artwork and its integration, to make Lubuntu even
>>> more beautiful
>>>
>>> Another item I would like to add, but I'm not sure we will be able to
>>> make it, it's an off-line documentation, or a nice manual.
>>>
>>> Of course, we need also the usual bug fixes and small improvements
>>> everywhere, but the main focus should be on those topics.
>>>
>>> Also, soon we will need to decide which applications we want in this
>>> LTS. We should do it in an other discussion, but it's the right time
>>> to do big changes if we consider they are good.
>>>
>>> Considering all the big changes which may happen for 13.10, I'm also
>>> thinking of the possibility to not do a proper 13.10 release,
>>> depending of the state of 13.10 after all the big structural changes,
>>> and near feature freeze. Again, it can be reconsidered in due time,
>>> but we may keep this in mind. I'm prepared to drop 1 release if we can
>>> do a very good 14.04 LTS.
>>>
>>> And after 14.04 ?
>>>
>>> Well, you probably know that Canonical is pushing for a Qt switch over
>>> GTK, but also by changing it's display manager (MIR). You may know
>>> also that LXDE is thinking about switching to Qt too, by joining
>>> forces with Razor-qt desktop environment. All those changes may be an
>>> opportunity to start another adventure, using Razor-qt as a base. It's
>>> also a reason to release 14.04 as a LTS, because it could be the final
>>> release with LXDE and GTK.  We will also be free to make very big
>>> changes for 14.10, because we know we have a LTS behind to recommend,
>>> for a long time.
>>>
>>> To prepare this, I'll also work on a specific session (call QLubuntu,
>>> pronounce it “Cute Lubuntu” ;-)), to test during 13.10 and 14.04, if
>>> the option to go with Qt is possible.
>>>
>>> So, what do you think about it ? :-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Julien Lavergne
>>>
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