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["Ali Linx (amjjawad)" <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hello amjjawad and everybody else reading this mail,

Hello Nio :)

> I think everybody can decide to run a linux version, that is not
> supported or only partially supported with security updates. It probably
> works well without any intruder stealing information or using your
> system for other illegal purposes.
> But I would never recommend it for somebody else, because there is an
> increased risk, that the system might get compromised. And Lubuntu 12.04
> will be only partially supported after October 2013.

Unfortunately, I'm not a System Security Specialist/Expert so that I can
give an accurate answer for that.
However, from my understanding, and I could be wrong: As long as the Core
System is an LTS (12.04) and as long as this LTS Core System is supported
for 5 years and as long as I'm receiving the important security updates
from the repositories, and as long as I can still run:
sudo apt-get upgrade
without any error/issue so my system is up to date ...
I would NEVER be worried about anything whatsoever. I would never think my
system could be compromised.

I have attached two text files, please have a look.

Also: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/lubuntu-desktop

If one of these packages is related to System Security and won't be updated
after 18 months from releasing 12.04 then ONLY that time, I might be a
little bit worried.

:)


> What do you think about ronniew's LXLE? He takes '12.04 LTS
> responsibility' of the Lubuntu specific packages. I don't know exactly
> how he is doing that, maybe by picking new versions from upstream
> sources? I think it will be safer than plain Lubuntu 12.04, but will it
> be as safe as a release supported by Canonical? Or safe enough to
> recommend to other people?

>From my understanding and logic:
If LXLE is using different packages than what I have attached and what is
including here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/lubuntu-desktop

and these different packages which are being used in LXLE are related to
Security and will be maintained for 5 years, then your statement might be
valid. However, I'm not a developer to confirm that.

*What are the packages that are related to Security and won't be maintained
for 5 years in Lubuntu but will be maintained in LXLE?*

That is the puzzle that we need to find an accurate and logical answer for
:)
Only then, we can decide which one is better - LTS wise - than the other :D


> I'm asking, because LXLE offers support for a Lubuntu system (remix or
> fork?) that works with non-pae CPUs until April 2017. So the fake-pae
> issue can be solved that way and the Pentium Ms will have four more
> years to run without leaving 'the Ubuntu family'.

http://www.lxle.net/index.php?x=about

I can't see anything on that link which really explain how LXLE is
different than Lubuntu 12.04 LTS wise?

To quote:
*"I decided to take a LTS version of Lubuntu, although not official it was
close enough. A nice stable seasoned release from which to build from. I
loaded it up with some heavy weight programs to ensure covering all the
bases while providing ease of use. I added and updated the software
repositories, and updated all the major programs such as LibreOffice, Gimp,
Openshot.

Finally I made sure it was beautiful, complete with a new theme coupled by
gorgeous wallpapers and drop shadows provided by Compton. I also included a
couple unique features like QuickStart Launcher (alt+z), Random Wallpaper,
Fast Forecast, Aero Snap and Conky (gauges). I then decided to create both
a 32bit & 64bit version of LXLE. They are identical with a small exception.
The 32bit version has compton (shadows) disabled by default, it is easily
renabled if desired."*

I can't find anything related to Security concerns that you have, Nio :)

What kind of support that LXLE can provide? can LXLE maintain LTS for each
and every package it has?

*"The REAL SHORT OF IT is, this is a glorified remastered version of
Lubuntu 12.04, with plans of incremental updates until the next LTS
release. Any help or support can be achieved through existing (L)Ubuntu
Forums, Websites, Channels, Documentation and I'll help by email if I can."
*

What is the difference between LXLE Packages and Lubuntu 12.04 Packages?

If LXLE does have different packages than:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/lubuntu-desktop
and
1- these different packages are maintained for 5 years
2- secure enough as per your your and how a system might be compromised, etc

then, I would recommend to use LXLE over Lubuntu 12.04 :)

Rather than that, I would personally stick to Lubuntu 12.04 and keep
recommending it to everyone who may ask me :)



> @amjjawad, I understand that you discourage me to continue with the
> fake-pae issue.

Julien has answered that and of course he knows better than me when it
comes to these details :D

Thank you!
P.S.
I really hope you see my point and if something is not clear, please let me
know and I will gladly re-explain and clear any confusion :)



> On 2013-04-29 00:44, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> > Hello guys :D
> >
> > Time for me to speak my mind ;)
> >
> > I don't know why until now, we can't come to an agreement about this.
> >
> > May I be extra honest with all of you?
> > FOR ME, and I speak only on my behalf, I think Lubuntu 12.04 is 90% an
> > LTS release. Why? please read this:
> >
> > http://amjjawad.blogspot.com/2013/03/to-be-or-not-to-be.html
> >
> > KEEP IN MIND, PLEASE ... that I'm not a developer, not even close.
> > However, If the chart on my link is wrong, please speak up now :)
> >
> > Having that said, I would not bother to find any solution for this
> > issue. We have a lot of work ahead of us and IMHO, if I may to state
> > that, why to fix it if it is not broken yet?
> >
> > IMHO, yet again, if Lubuntu 12.04 can already breathe new life into
> > these machines because The Linux Kernel in Lubuntu 12.04 is NON-PAE
> > Kernel + Lubuntu 12.04 CORE SYSTEM is the same as Ubuntu 12.04 CORE
> > SYSTEM = LTS ... then everything is already fine :D
> >
> > The reason why I installed Lubutnu 10.04 on my test subject and sent an
> > email about that 2-3 weeks ago, is to monitor this issue. To see how
> > much impact could happen when your base/core system is updated but
> > others parts are not.
> >
> > I HAVE NO IDEA why we can't call Lubuntu 12.04 an LTS but if you ask me,
> > it is unofficially an LTS version but again, I'm not a developer :)
> >
> > On the other hand, why to go: Mini ISO + whatever package since Lubuntu
> > 12.04 offers everything one could need?
> >
> > For me? I would go for Lubuntu 12.04 on my old machine (which doesn't
> > work with other systems, such us Lubuntu 12.10 and later) and stick with
> > that. For how long one can expect these machines will work? above all,
> > it is an old machine running a system made in April 2012 :D
> > I mean, COME ONE GUYS :D why we always want to go "Latest Release" even
> > on very very old machines? :D
> >
> > I'm looking forward to see a unique and masterpiece release after a year
> > from now. Let's save each and every energy to achieve that.
> >
> > Also, if you guys really like this:
> >
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartLubuntu
> > We should start discussing it.
> > Clock is ticking :D
> >
> > Thank you!
> >


--
Best Regards,
amjjawad
Start Lubuntu

Linux 3.2.0-36-generic #57-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 8 21:41:24 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

$ tasksel --task-packages lubuntu-core

libfile-copy-recursive-perl
libavahi-common3
libxaw7
libslp1
printer-driver-splix
ubuntu-extras-keyring
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avahi-daemon
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libsane-common
wpasupplicant
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xorg
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libfm1
hplip
openbox
xserver-xorg-video-s3
libgs9-common
cups-common
libpolkit-backend-1-0
libdconf0
liblightdm-gobject-1-0
libcupsimage2
apport-symptoms
xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
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zip
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python-xkit
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Linux 3.2.0-36-generic #57-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 8 21:41:24 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

$ tasksel --task-packages lubuntu-desktop

python-chardet
notification-daemon
aspell
upower
libical0
esound-common
gnome-system-tools
python-aptdaemon
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libxfconf-0-2
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ibus
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libva1
libt1-5
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libevent-2.0-5
im-switch
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libiec61883-0
libnet-ssleay-perl
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mplayer2
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gpicview
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jockey-common
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