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[Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Nio,

that makes sense, I'm sure you agree that the upgrade system should not
install a (new) kernel that will not boot. I've had a read of
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE and, as to be expected, it is of a
high standard!

I have no issue with a community re-spin, but people who go digging about
their pentium M's are most likely knowledgable enough to follow that guide.

I'm happy to add a note at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu#System_Requirements
mentioning
about pentium M with a link to that wiki page.

Thoughts anyone?

Regards,

Phill.

On 3 May 2013 04:01, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> Now I know that an installed Lubuntu 13.04 with a pae kernel, that works
> with my Pentium M, cannot handle kernel upgrades without fake-pae.
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1175855
>
> But after installation of fake-pae, I could upgrade the kernel with sudo
> apt-get upgrade. So it is not only at the installation, that the pae
> flag is checked.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
> On 2013-05-03 02:40, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > having a wiki page is the fasted way to me. knowing Mörgaes also helps.
> > Do keep us updated as to where this community re-spin goes.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Phill.
> >
> > On 3 May 2013 00:54, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi Phill,
> >
> >     1. I want to make you aware of the wiki page, that was edited today
> by
> >     Mörgaes to avoid doing the job twice
> >
> >     https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
> >
> >     So maybe you can have a shorter text and refer to that page for the
> >     details.
> >
> >     2. Now, that I know it that an installed Lubuntu 13.04 with a pae
> kernel
> >     works with my Pentium M, I am testing another option, that might be
> more
> >     flexible: a USB drive with grub2 and the Lubuntu iso file as a file
> to
> >     be loop-mounted. It has no fake-pae at all. I don't know how it can
> >     handle kernel upgrades yet.
> >
> >     Best regards
> >     Nio
> >
> >     On 2013-05-02 22:14, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> >     > Hi Nio, Julien et. all.
> >     >
> >     > we have in the past mentioned community re-spins of lubuntu and
> >     when you
> >     > are happy with the README, I am happy to host the iso and see no
> >     reason
> >     > not to include a mention of both the use of fake-pae and of a 13.04
> >     > community re-spin so that people do not need to use fake-pae. The
> >     thing
> >     > about linix is 'choice', give people the choice and let them
> >     decide. Use
> >     > fake-pae if they already have an install of 12.04 that they want
> >     to run
> >     > through two dist-upgrades and the non-pae 13.04 for those who are
> >     > installing for the 1st time. I see this as a "win - win" situation.
> >     >
> >     > Regards,
> >     >
> >     > Phill.
> >     >
> >     > On 2 May 2013 04:19, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     > <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     [feedback]
> >     >
> >     >     Hi Julien and Phill,
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >     I think Lubuntu 13.04 'Raring' for Pentium M CPUs is a good
> >     alternative
> >     >     for a fresh install (instead of downloading 12.04 and
> >     upgrading twice to
> >     >     newer releases).
> >     >
> >     >     I'm receiving feedback from a few people right now, and I have
> to
> >     >     improve the instructions in the README file, maybe also change
> the
> >     >     concept of it to make it easier to understand and manage,
> >     since it is
> >     >     different from the standard way of distributing software.
> >     >
> >     >          -o-
> >     >
> >     >     But for those who have
> >     >
> >     >     - more or less personalized versions of Lubuntu 12.04 running,
> or
> >     >     - already have a Lubuntu 12.04 iso file and a slow internet
> >     connection
> >     >
> >     >     the fake-pae method is good for upgrading to new pae releases,
> >     so yes,
> >     >     it should be mentioned on the wiki.
> >     >
> >     >          -o-
> >     >
> >     >     Background
> >     >
> >     >     The Pentium M CPUs are a special case. They have pae
> >     capability, but do
> >     >     not announce the pae flag. So they fall between the chairs.
> >     With the
> >     >     fake-pae trick, introduced by 7bit @ ubuntuforums, it is
> >     possible to
> >     >     upgrade. There are many high-quality professional laptops
> >     around with
> >     >     Pentium M processors.
> >     >
> >     >     And, I have a Raring installation on a USB 3 pendrive, that
> runs
> >     >     beautifully on my old Thinkpad with Pentium M without the pae
> >     flag.
> >     >     So the fake-pae flag helps it sit on the pae chair.
> >     >
> >     >     This is what I am willing to offer to other Pentium M owners.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >     Best regards
> >     >     Nio
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >     On 2013-05-01 12:55, Julien Lavergne wrote:
> >     >     > Why not just add a mention on the wiki to use fake-pae for
> >     people in
> >     >     > this case ? It seems less complicated that downloading a
> >     full version
> >     >     > of Lubuntu just for this.
> >     >     > If you are blocked by the upgrade tool, just advertise the
> >     use of
> >     >     > "apt-get dist-upgrade".
> >     >     >
> >     >     > Regards,
> >     >     > Julien Lavergne
> >     >     >
> >     >     > 2013/4/30 Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >     >     <mailto:PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>>>:
> >     >     >> Hi Nio,
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >> I'm okay with hosting it[1]. But you will need to write up
> some
> >     >     >> documentation, name it etc.
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >> Regards,
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >> Phill.
> >     >     >> 1. http://phillw.net/isos/
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >> On 30 April 2013 20:41, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     >     <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >     wrote:
> >     >     >>>
> >     >     >>> Hello everybody,
> >     >     >>>
> >     >     >>> I think it will be hard to make the devs accept the small
> >     fix in the
> >     >     >>> general code of *ubuntu to make it possible to install
> into a
> >     >     computer
> >     >     >>> with Pentium M CPU. But it works with a system, that is
> >     >     installed in a
> >     >     >>> modern computer, and ported to the Pentium M as a USB
> drive or
> >     >     cloned or
> >     >     >>> rsynced to an internal hard disk drive.
> >     >     >>>
> >     >     >>> I have such a system ready for distribution, but have a
> >     few requests
> >     >     >>> before it can be uploaded and available for everybody.
> >     >     >>>
> >     >     >>> 1. Please read the attached README file and suggest
> >     changes (remove,
> >     >     >>> change or add text)!
> >     >     >>>
> >     >     >>> 2. Please suggest where to upload it! The size is 1.1 GB.
> >     >     >>>
> >     >     >>> sudodus@ssd-grund ~/test/pae4pm $ ls -lh
> >     >     >>> totalt 1,1G
> >     >     >>> -rw-rw-r-- 1 olle olle 3,0K apr 30 14:24
> >     commands-and-output.txt
> >     >     >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 olle olle   56 apr 30 16:43 dd-restore.txt
> >     >     >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 olle olle 1,1G apr 30 20:09 dd-sdb.gz
> >     >     >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 olle olle  630 apr 30 14:55 dd-sdb.txt
> >     >     >>> -rw-rw-r-- 1 olle olle  283 apr 30 20:47 md5sums.txt
> >     >     >>> -rw-rw-r-- 1 olle olle 4,0K apr 30 20:45 README
> >     >     >>> sudodus@ssd-grund ~/test/pae4pm
> >     >     >>>
> >     >     >>> I can upload it at a private cloud service, but I think it
> is
> >     >     better if
> >     >     >>> you suggest some other place with better bandwidth.
> >     >     >>>
> >     >     >>> 3. I guess the best thing would be if you can organize a
> >     torrent (I
> >     >     >>> don't know how to do that).
> >     >     >>>
> >     >     >>> Best regards
> >     >     >>> Nio
> >     >     >>>
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