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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yes, I'm starting to realize that it has reached the daily build. All
these mails make it very obvious even for me now :-D

And it seems to be a great improvement for Lubuntu and old hardware.

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-06-17 14:42, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> Hi Nio,
> 
> the BIG change with Saucy is the recent inclusion of ZRam, it is for
> this reason we are re-testing "how low can it go" :)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> On 17 June 2013 02:13, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi,
> 
>     With all respect to your skill as a tester, Ali, I have to ask:
> 
>     1. Has the GUI installer of Saucy improved a lot compared to Raring?
> 
>     2. Or was I doing something seriously wrong?
> 
>     Because I could not install Lubuntu Raring 32-bit without swap, not even
>     with the alternate installer, with 256MB RAM. I did it in VirtualBox in
>     a Precise 32-bit host.
> 
>     I'll test it tomorrow in Saucy and switch off the memory hogs in
>     VirtualBox. I will also try to test low RAM in a real computer :-)
> 
>     Best regards
>     Nio
>     -------- Original Message --------
>     Subject: memory needed for Lubuntu tested with vbox
>     Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:12:18 +0200
>     From: Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>>
>     To: ubuntu-quality@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:ubuntu-quality@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>     <ubuntu-quality@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:ubuntu-quality@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>,
>     Lubuntu-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Lubuntu-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
>     I want to share these results from testing to install and run Lubuntu
>     with low memory. I was using today's daily build of Lubuntu Raring
>     desktop and alternate iso files.
> 
>     See the attached file. Comments are welcome :-)
> 
>     Best regards
>     Nio alias sudodus
>     ----------------------------------
> 
>     On 2013-06-17 02:06, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>     > Hi,
>     >
>     >  Ali, firstly thank you for all the work you put in for the minimal
>     > specs of what lubuntu will install on. To everyone else working on
>     this,
>     > also a big thank you.
>     >
>     > For our minimal specs, once we get to 256MB RAM, we are also
>     stretching
>     > the applications (browser).
>     >
>     > @ Jluien, if Z-Ram works so well, could we drop alternate for some of
>     > the archs?
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     >
>     > Phill.
>     >
>     >
>     > On 17 June 2013 00:45, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx>
>     > <mailto:amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Hi everyone,
>     >
>     >     *_My Test - Part 1_*
>     >     *Note* These Tests have been done on Oracle VM version 4.2.12
>     >     running on Windows 7 on HP Pavilion DV6, Core i5 first generation
>     >     and 4GB RAM.
>     >
>     >     *_Test Case A_*
>     >
>     >     _Hardware Details:
>     >     _
>     >     CPU: 1 CPU
>     >     RAM Used by the OS: 256MB
>     >     HDD: 5GB
>     >
>     >     _Scenario: _
>     >     This is to simulate when the user has 256MB Physical RAM and a
>     >     dedicated Graphics Card that does not steal/share its memory with
>     >     the RAM. So, the OS will use the whole RAM which is 256MB.
>     >
>     >     _Installation:_
>     >
>     >      1. Mounted the Saucy ISO on the VM
>     >      2. Chose "Install Lubuntu" from the Menu
>     >      3. Chose "Erase Disk and Install Lubuntu"
>     >      4. Installation Process took around 16mins
>     >      5. VM Rebooted
>     >      6. System is up and running
>     >
>     >     _Notes:_
>     >
>     >      1. I have installed on completely wiped/free HDD. NO partitions
>     >         whatsoever. NO other system. Nothing.
>     >      2. The installation Process was really smooth and without any
>     >         problem, it worked and finished from the first try.
>     >      3. I have followed the same steps but choosing "Try Lubuntu
>     without
>     >         installation" and then installed Lubuntu from the the Live
>     >         Desktop by clicking the icon on the Desktop "Install Lubuntu
>     >         13.10" and the installation process took around
>     15mins-16mins as
>     >         well but I felt the process is slower than before. Moving the
>     >         mouse for example wasn't as smooth as the first test - when
>     >         choosing "Install Lubuntu" from the menu.
>     >      4. After the installation, and for both methods (Install Lubuntu
>     >         and Try Lubuntu without installation then install from the
>     live
>     >         desktop), the RAM Usage according to 'htop':
>     >
>     >     RAM: 98MB/256MB
>     >     SWAP: 1MB/482MB
>     >
>     >     Firefox and LXTerminal with htop and it says: 153MB RAM and
>     7MB SWAP
>     >     on www.google.com <http://www.google.com>
>     <http://www.google.com/> and I don't feel like
>     >     having only 256MB at all.
>     >     Did not play more. Was just testing how Firefox will behave.
>     >
>     >     = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>     = = =
>     >     = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>     >     *_
>     >     _*
>     >     *_Test Case B_*
>     >
>     >     _Hardware Details:
>     >     _
>     >     CPU: 1 CPU
>     >     Base Memory: 256MB
>     >     Video Memory: 32MB
>     >     Used Memory by the OS: 224MB
>     >     HDD: 5GB
>     >
>     >     _Scenario: _
>     >     To simulate the situation when the user has 256MB Physical RAM and
>     >     32MB of that RAM will be used by the built-in Graphics Card.
>     >
>     >     _Installation:_
>     >
>     >      1. Mounted the Saucy ISO on the VM
>     >      2. Chose "Install Lubuntu" from the Menu
>     >      3. Chose "Erase Disk and Install Lubuntu"
>     >      4. Installation Process took around 16mins
>     >      5. VM Rebooted
>     >      6. System is up and running
>     >
>     >
>     >     _Notes:_
>     >
>     >      1. I have installed on completely wiped/free HDD. NO partitions
>     >         whatsoever. NO other system. Nothing.
>     >      2. Installation Process was a bit slow and it was installed
>     >         successfully from the first try. Not very slow, but slow or a
>     >         bit slow. I guess it depends from machine to machine.
>     >      3. Graphics Memory after installation was done is reporting,
>     >         according to 'htop', 242MB Used RAM by OS which means only
>     14MB
>     >         is being used by the graphics and I guess it depends on the
>     >         color and resolution so the system needs 14MB for video card.
>     >         After all, it is called 'Shared Memory' and the video card
>     does
>     >         not really has to use it all :)
>     >      4. I didn't try to the other option - "Try Lubuntu without
>     >         installation". I can tell the result would be the same. But I
>     >         don't mind, if really really necessary, to do that.
>     >
>     >
>     >     = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>     = = =
>     >     = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>     >
>     >     *_Test Case C_*
>     >
>     >     _Hardware Details:
>     >     _
>     >     CPU: 1 CPU
>     >     Used Memory by the OS: 192MB
>     >     HDD: 5GB
>     >
>     >     _Scenario: _
>     >     To simulate the situation when the user has only 192MB
>     Physical RAM
>     >     and a dedicated Graphics Card that does not steal/share its memory
>     >     with the RAM. So, the OS will use the whole RAM which is 192MB.
>     >
>     >
>     >     _Installation:_
>     >
>     >      1. Mounted the Saucy ISO on the VM
>     >      2. Chose "Install Lubuntu" from the Menu
>     >      3. Chose "Erase Disk and Install Lubuntu"
>     >      4. Installation Process took around 20mins or a bit more.
>     >      5. VM Rebooted
>     >      6. System is up and running
>     >
>     >     _
>     >     _
>     >     _Notes:_
>     >
>     >      1. I have installed on completely wiped/free HDD. NO partitions
>     >         whatsoever. NO other system. Nothing.
>     >      2. I had to do 3 tries until the 3rd one got passed. The
>     first two
>     >         tries, the installer crashed and dropped me to the Live
>     Desktop
>     >         with the icon to install Lubuntu sitting there :)
>     >      3. The installation process was slow but usable.
>     >      4. When I tried to repeat using "Try Lubuntu without
>     installation"
>     >         and then install Lubuntu from the the Live Desktop by clicking
>     >         the icon on the Desktop "Install Lubuntu 13.10", at the first
>     >         few steps, the installer crashed and it logged me off the Live
>     >         Desktop and took me to LightDM and only one username to
>     login to
>     >         which is "other".
>     >
>     >
>     >     = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>     = = =
>     >     = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>     >
>     >     *_Test Case D_*
>     >     *_
>     >     _*
>     >     _Hardware Details:
>     >     _
>     >     CPU: 1 CPU
>     >     Used Memory by the OS: 128MB
>     >     HDD: 5GB
>     >     *_
>     >     _*
>     >     _Notes:_
>     >
>     >      1. The installer crashed and dropped me to the Live Desktop with
>     >         the icon to install Lubuntu sitting there :)
>     >      2. When I tried to install from the Live Desktop, it crashed and
>     >         dropped me to LightDM.
>     >
>     >
>     >     = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>     = = =
>     >     = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>     >
>     >     End of Testing for today :)
>     >
>     >     *_Conclusion_*:
>     >     We must understand the difference between the minimum system
>     >     requirement to*_'install'_* Lubuntu ... and ... the minimum system
>     >     requirement to *_'use'_* Lubuntu *_'after'_* installing it.
>     IMHO :)
>     >
>     >     My above 4 test cases were about the minimum system requirement to
>     >     'install' Lubuntu.
>     >     After all, the usage of the system purely depends on the user.
>     If he
>     >     is a light user, the system won't be so demanding at all.
>     >     If he is a heavy user, that is totally different story.
>     >
>     >     So, IMHO, we should be clear about this point.
>     >
>     >
>     >     *_Recommendation:_*
>     >     Long story short, I do recommend that:
>     >     *The Minimum System Requirement to Install Lubuntu 13.10 from The
>     >     LiveCD using the Desktop ISO, is ... _256MB_ Physical RAM.*
>     >
>     >
>     >     *_Next Step:_*
>     >     I have moved houses so all my stuff are packed. I need to take my
>     >     old test PC from the store, find my keyboard and try to play
>     with it
>     >     and repeat the above tests (not all of them).
>     >     What so special about that PC is:
>     >     It has 512MB Physical RAM and its BIOS has a feature to share
>     >     32MB-256MB for the built in video card. So, I can test down to
>     256MB
>     >     RAM.
>     >     I can not go below that. But, after all, from what I've found so
>     >     far, it is useless to go below that as long as the above
>     >     recommendation says it all :)
>     >
>     >     Thanks for reading my report!
>     >
>     >     End of report.
>     >
>     >     --
>     >
>     >     "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>     >
>     >     *Best Regards,*
>     >     *amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/>*
>     >     *Start Ubuntu
>     >    
>     <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartUbuntu>*
>     >
>     >     /Test Machine: ASUS F3F Laptop - //Intel Core Duo T2350 @ 1.86GHz
>     >     with 489MB RAM/
>     >
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