lubuntu-qa team mailing list archive

["Ali Linx (amjjawad)" <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 2013-10-24 15:54, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> >     On 2013-10-24 15:31, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> >     >
> >     > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Nio Wiklund
> >     <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     > <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     Hi everybody,
> >     >
> >     >     Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the
> partitioning
> >     >     dialogue of the desktop installer.
> >     >
> >     >     http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287
> >     >
> >     >     'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to remove
> >     windows and
> >     >     replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose this.
> >     One with
> >     >     files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7
> >     partition. When
> >     >     I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed on my C
> >     drive and
> >     >     not my other one. But what actually ended up happening was all
> my
> >     >     partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I only
> >     have Ubuntu
> >     >     on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!'
> >     >
> >     >     -o-
> >     >
> >     >     This is what I have been telling, when describing the One
> Button
> >     >     Installer
> >     >
> >     >     '...
> >     >     Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works
> >     >
> >     >     The normal linux installers that come with iso files are
> >     complicated to
> >     >     use or freeze during the installation process, and you want a
> >     tool that
> >     >     is easier to use and just works.
> >     >     ...
> >     >     a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and is
> >     generally
> >     >     easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make people
> >     confused.
> >     >     There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums describing
> >     installations,
> >     >     where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake. ...'
> >     >
> >     >     It is really too bad, and something that should be improved in
> >     14.04
> >     >
> >     >     Best regards
> >     >     Nio
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > Hi,
> >     >
> >     > All that can be solved in one two 'very' simple steps:
> >     >
> >     > 1- Create a YouTube Video that explains in details HOWTO Install
> >     Ubuntu
> >     > with all the possible cases
> >     > 2- Add a link for that YouTube Video right next to the Download
> >     Link so
> >     > those who download Ubuntu or any flavour can 'watch' and 'learn'
> >     how to
> >     > install the system
> >     >
> >     > Time is money and saving time is a very important factor in just 6
> >     > months cycle :)
> >     >
> >     > Just a very quick thought!
> >     >
> >     > --
> >     > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> >     > Best Regards,
> >     > amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
> >     > Areas of Involvement
> >     <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement>
> >     > My Projects <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects>
> >
> >     1. I do think it is important to improve the text in the installer
> >     itself
> >
> >
> > Any suggestions? for someone who failed to backup his/her important data
> > before actually wiping his/her HDD, I'd only think he/she will not even
> > bother to read any text :)
> >
> >
> >
> >     because those who might need the video might not play it.
> >
> >
> > As I mentioned, the Link of that HOWTO Video must be posted right next
> > to the Download Link with a Note:
> >
> > "Please, see/watch this video BEFORE you install the system" :)
> >
> > Those who fail to 'read' any improved text or watch the video, can blame
> > no one but themselves.
> >
> > Backing up is the very first step. This must be mentioned clearly next
> > to each and every download link, IMHO :)
> >
> >
> >
> >     2. I wrote that it should be improved in 14.04, which is an LTS
> version,
> >     so more than 6 months are involved.
> >
> >     Best regards
> >     Nio
> >
> >
> > Well, this is not for me to decide. This will go into so many
> > discussions and will take time. Why NOT save the time and just go for
> > the easiest solution rather than changing the whole thing just because
> > 'some' users who can't read nor backup their data?
> >
> > But YES, I am WITH any improvement that makes life easier. However, time
> > is the real challenge that we do have. While 6 months may look enough
> > for that, IMHO, each minute should be carefully considered :) that is
> > just me though!
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> > Best Regards,
> > amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
> > Areas of Involvement <
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement>
> > My Projects <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects>
>
> It is not either - or
> We need both
>

Fine by me :)



>
> 1. I'll be very happy if someone makes a video


I can do that but as I mentioned, I need to get my normal voice back :)



> and puts links to it at strategic places, so that many people find it and
> play it.
>

I have access to Ubuntu GNOME Website and of course the Wiki Area. I can't
speak for Ubuntu and other Flavours :)


>
> 2. But it is not enough. The text in the installer itself needs
> improvement, and it should not be too time-consuming to make such an
> improvement.


I am not the one who will decide how much time that will take!

All what I mentioned is 'the discussion', for example, the one we are doing
right now, might take longer time :)



> Some people need to sit down and check what has been
> misunderstood and try to imagine what can be misunderstood by beginners.
>

I agree!



> And rewrite those descriptions and instructions. In a second step it is
> important to involve those who translate the text into all the languages.
>

Why not? :)



>
> I'd volunteer to such a group.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>

I would create one :P
But seriously, I'd do the same thing :)


-- 
Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
Best Regards,
amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
Areas of Involvement <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement>
My Projects <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects>