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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thank you for the wise words and valuable link :-)

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-11-16 03:02, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> Just my thoughts...
> 
> I hate 'councils' with a passion. I also hate the badge of 'team leader'
> for the sub-groups. All any team requires is an admin person who looks
> after the day to day 'paper work'. The lubunteers do the work and chat
> to each other all the time. I fail to see how a 'council' would help in
> any way and also feel it would drive people away. Let me just remind you
> of a 'rule' of freenode which is about catalysts.....
> 
> http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml
> 
> I broke that, and resigned from my positions; but I do ask that you
> consider this...
> 
> ... not through the use of authority and special privilege, ....
> 
> When ubuntu-beginners created a council, it was the death, UBT no longer
> exists. 
> 
> So, other lubunteers, please think long and hard about raising a
> 'council'; IMHO, it is a really bad idea and even though I have stepped
> down from 'official' stuff... I wanted to let you know my thoughts.
> 
> My kindest regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 November 2013 20:26, Federico Leoni <effelle@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:effelle@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     2013/11/15 David Yentzen <dbyentzen@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dbyentzen@xxxxxxxxx>>:
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad)
>     <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amjjawad@xxxxxxxxx>>
>     > wrote:
>     >>
>     >> Dear Lubuntu Community,
>     >>
>     >> Kindly have a read at this Blueprint/Proposal:
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/lubuntu-community-council
>     >>
>     >> And, if you are using a Cell Phone or any device and for whatever
>     reason
>     >> can't access the link, here is the text:
>     >>
>     >>
>     --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >> Lubuntu Community Council is my proposal/idea to clean the
>     current mess in
>     >> Lubuntu Community and solve the pending issues that the community
>     is facing
>     >> in order to move forward to build a healthy community and a rock
>     solid
>     >> system for old machines with LTS.
>     >>
>     >> ------------------------------
>     >> Given Information:
>     >> ------------------------------
>     >> 1- Lubuntu Community Has NO Actual Leader Starting from 15-May-2012 -
>     >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2012-May/001516.html
>     >>
>     >> 2- Lubuntu Community and Sub-Teams are a real mess. Lubuntu
>     Communications
>     >> Sub-Team and Lubuntu QA Team are both without 'Active' Team
>     Leaders. The
>     >> whole team needs a clean up, reorganize and re-assessment.
>     >>
>     >> 3- The Activities of the Community has dropped due to lack of
>     >> communications and some core old members of the team has
>     left/quit/resigned
>     >> and the rest are inactive and only very few are still active but
>     that is not
>     >> enough.
>     >>
>     >> 4- Lubuntu 13.10 was a bit of disappointment for as per users and
>     members
>     >> feedback and some nasty bugs.
>     >>
>     >> -----------------
>     >> Roadmap:
>     >> -----------------
>     >> A- Not only one person must lead Lubuntu but instead of that, a
>     Community
>     >> Council consists of many members - the idea inspired by:
>     >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil
>     >>
>     >> B- LCC (Lubuntu Community Council) elect one member to lead this
>     Community
>     >> Council at the very beginning of each release cycle  and this
>     election will
>     >> take place every 6 months. Members of LCC will elect their leaders.
>     >>
>     >> C- This is a NON-Technical Board or Council.
>     >>
>     >> D- This Council is in charge of:
>     >> 1- Lubuntu Guards and Keepers - make sure everything goes as
>     smooth as
>     >> possible and make sure Ubuntu Code of Conducts applies and
>     everyone respects
>     >> the other.
>     >> 2- Make sure to build a healthy community based on Team Work,
>     Sharing and
>     >> Motivation.
>     >> 3- No Dictatorship: No one will lead the whole community but
>     instead a
>     >> group of people will do that.
>     >> 4- Any Lubuntu Member can be a member of this Community Council.
>     >> 5- Team Leaders of Lubuntu Sub-Teams are members of this Council.
>     >>
>     >> E- Requirements:
>     >> 1- Must be Active Lubuntu Member at least for 6 months Minimum.
>     >> 2- Members must have proven record of some Lubuntu Community
>     Experience
>     >> (NON-Technical) and members with minimum one year with Lubuntu
>     Community are
>     >> preferred.
>     >> 3- Technical People can join but the above points (#1 and #2)
>     must apply.
>     >> 4- Must sign Ubuntu Code of Conducts.
>     >> 5- Must have a Wiki Page.
>     >> 6- Must have proven record of team work.
>     >> 7- Friendly and nice.
>     >> 8- Must communicate.
>     >> 9- Must leave a note if he/she is busy or will be away.
>     >> 10- Before stepping down, must give a notice
>     >>
>     >> F- Decision Making:
>     >> Lubuntu Community Council is in charge of decision making and the
>     future
>     >> of Lubuntu is between the hands of this council. HOWEVER, NO
>     decision to be
>     >> made UNLESS the whole community (members+users) must be aware of
>     that - to
>     >> send an email to the mailing list. Some decisions can be made by this
>     >> council if and only if it is a derision that requires a high skill of
>     >> Community Experience + Technical Experience which other users may
>     not meet
>     >> this requirement. But all in all, each and every decision will be
>     made
>     >> publicly.
>     >>
>     >> G- Meeting:
>     >> Lubuntu Community Council must have at least one meeting per
>     month. Even
>     >> better, one meeting every two weeks if possible. After the
>     meeting, the log
>     >> must be shared with everyone belong to Lubuntu Community + must
>     be published
>     >> on Lubuntu Social Media
>     >>
>     >> H- Launchpad:
>     >> This Council must have a Launchpad Team +  a Mailing List. The
>     >> owner/creator of that team on Launchpad is NOT necessarily the
>     leader of
>     >> this Council.  He/She could be anyone who would like to help to
>     set up this
>     >> area.
>     >>
>     >> I- This proposal idea will be on this blueprint. Lubuntu
>     Brainstorming
>     >> Team will be assigned to this proposal. Team Leader of Lubuntu
>     Brainstorming
>     >> Team must send an email to both Lubuntu Brainstorming Team + The
>     General
>     >> Mailing List.
>     >>
>     >> J- Discussion will be made here and if most of the active members of
>     >> Lubuntu Community Agree, this idea will be implemented immediately.
>     >>
>     >> K- Lubuntu Community Members can propose some changes on the
>     above but
>     >> must communicate first with Lubuntu Brainstorming Team before doing
>     >> anything. Or simply, just add your comment to the whiteboard.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >>
>     >> Thank you!
>     >>
>     >> amjjawad
>     >> Lubuntu Brainstorming Team Leader
>     >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad
>     >>
>     >> --
>     >> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>     >> Best Regards,
>     >> amjjawad
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>     >>
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>     >
>     > Dear Lubuntu Community,
>     >   +1 This is an excellent idea. Lubuntu, in the long term, is
>     better off
>     > being led by a rotating group of active members of the community. This
>     > ensures the workload and tasks of the community are shared among
>     members and
>     > avoids individual member burnout or overburden.
>     > If this is not done and Lubuntu continues in its current
>     direction, I do not
>     > hold high hopes for it long-term. Every organization, at some
>     point in its
>     > early development, makes the transition from a small size to a
>     larger more
>     > complex size. How successfully this is done determines, in a large
>     way, the
>     > long-term success of the organization. The community council model
>     is the
>     > best way to ensure Lubuntu's continued existence because it more
>     fairly
>     > distributes the tasks and no one person becomes overburdened.
>     >  Let's move forward.
>     >
>     > Best Regards,
>     > David Yentzen
>     > https://launchpad.net/~dbyentzen <https://launchpad.net/%7Edbyentzen>
>     >
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>     I agree Ali,
> 
>     this could be a good way to back on track, and Lubuntu really needs
>     that now. LTS is not so far as we can think and without a good
>     reorganization we will fail. The problem is, who could be a member of
>     the new council? Not me, as you know Ali I can't assume control on any
>     Team now, nor help constantly. My real life (and my new business
>     incoming) first. Beside that I travel A LOT, so would be difficult to
>     properly follow a project.
> 
>     Mmmmm.... Curiously I'm still here working for testing/QA. :)
> 
>     F.
> 
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