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[MARK CALLAGHAN <mdcallag@xxxxxxxxx>]

Define "we", or even define "MariaDB"? I am confused. At this point
mariadb.org looks like a collection of links to #2 and #3 below:
1) mariadb.org / foundation
2) mariadb.com / skysql
3) askmonty.org


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Colin Charles <byte@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Kristian,
>
> On 18 Sep 2013, at 01:26, Kristian Nielsen <knielsen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Colin Charles <byte@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> >
> >> It's 17.09 today, and we've hit 50,160 total downloads (this number is
> >> considered company-internal, we don't share this number externally).
> >
> > "company-internal"? What have you been smoking? Colin, you are supposed
> to be
> > the community guy for crying out lout :-(
> >
> > This is *completely*, utterly unacceptable.
> >
> > MariaDB is a community project. We are about openness. We are about
> working
> > together, all of us, to create a better world. We are *not* some
> individuals
> > or companys playground.
> >
> > So no, the community's usage numbers of its own project is not
> "internal",
> > thank you very much.
> >
> > So please cut out the crap already.
> >
>
> I am the Chief Evangelist for MariaDB, and clearly a community advocate
> and always fight for the community when discussing things internally.
>
> You are also absolutely right, that MariaDB is a community project. It is
> governed by the MariaDB Foundation. We have always had a strong ethic with
> being open. However, despite our strong ethic of being open, we have never
> published our download statistics. And maybe we should, but that is a
> discussion that needs to happen with all the stakeholders involved, from
> the company that pays your salary to the community of developers and users.
>
> There is an utopian view of the MariaDB world and a realistic view of the
> MariaDB world. Let’s try to achieve a balance without being anyones
> playground. There are many changes happening in a rapid fashion, and the
> cowboy-style that we used to run at Monty Program is clearly changing.
>
> So while we might want to celebrate the community’s usage numbers, they
> were set to be internal, like they have always been. Its like a Facebook
> keynote: they have a lot of MySQL servers, but they will never tell you the
> exact number of servers or instances that exist (swap Facebook with any
> large web property, Google, Twitter, etc.).
>
> There are competitive reasons to keep numbers private sometime. We have
> analysts paying attention to MariaDB. We have the press paying attention to
> MariaDB. We have investors paying attention to SkySQL, a large backer of
> MariaDB.
>
> MariaDB has been very open with some numbers (see What’s happening now -
> https://mariadb.com/kb/en/), but we have never in the history of the
> project shared download numbers.
>
> Maybe it is time to start a discussion on what numbers do become public.
> Maybe its time to publish a press release at the start of next month. Maybe
> numbers should be shared amongst all members of the MariaDB Foundation.
> Maybe once the MariaDB Foundation is running at full speed, there is a
> Community Council, ala what Ubuntu does.
>
> I don’t know the right answers to this, but one thing I can assure you is
> that I do my level best to keep things in the open. I would appreciate that
> when something is posted in private it remains that way. You might think
> its crap, but its unethical to share private emails in public.
>
> Kristian, I have very high honours for you. Thank you for your occasional
> outbursts to remind us to keep it real.
>
> cheers,
> -colin
>
>
> --
> Colin Charles, Chief Evangelist
> MariaDB | t: +6-012-204-3201 | Skype: colincharles
>
>
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Mark Callaghan
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