On Apr 27, 2017, at 3:05 PM, Federico Razzoli <federico_raz@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well, clicking around, selecting things, switching to keyboards, and so on,
can hardly be faster than writing an SQL statement - provided that you learn
ALTER TABLE syntax.
But, apart from that, I think that we mostly agree on everything except one
thing: the meaning of enterprise. In an enterprise environment a DBA needs
to automate everything and write scripts. Also, as I wrote before and the
author of that post also says, GUI's are not reliable, you never know
exactly what they do.
That said, I suppose that GUIs can be useful for someone, especially for
developers and hobbyists.
As far as the meaning of enterprise environment, look here:
http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/42642/enterprise-environment
I see no statement about writing scripts. If a DBA could truly “automate
everything” as you state, them, they would be out of a job! :-) A DBA should
use whatever tools are necessary and efficient for their job and for problem
solving, period. If that’s a monitoring tool, then, use it. If that’s a
command script, use it. I can give many examples of things faster in a GUI,
but, it’s not necessary here. I was merely agreeing that it would be nice,
as the OP posited. And you were disagreeing. I understand you could come up
with examples faster in command line or scripts and I would agree with your
examples, and I could come up with things faster in the gui. A gui is not
just clicking. It can be used in the manner you are disagreeing with (to
replace knowledge of alter table at a simplistic level), but it can also be
used in many productive ways. They were used even in a fortune 10 company I
used to work for. Even Oracle gives you one (not speaking of MySQL). I also
count SNMP and other interfaces as GUIs as that is often the end point for
their output. Such consoles are certainly guis and are very useful for
seeing an enterprise wide view of how things are running. When you have
hundreds of sites, kind of nice for a high level view with drill down.
I do get what you are saying, however, there are better uses for guis than
your examples. And I would certainly never advocate *only* using a gui, of
course not. I would only hope for an enhanced (to provided better tools)
workbench. And I do agree they are useful for “developers and hobbyists”, to
which I would add potentially hundreds of thousands of small business
owners, which are wannabe developers and not quite hobbyists as many make a
living off of open source software and databases they are using. In that
sense, the market for gui users could be much larger than non gui users.
Which of course is getting closer to your statement about enterprise.
I guess I will agree to disagree as there are so many flaws in what the
article stated, each and every statement and conclusion is flawed. It’s not
a good example! Maybe we do agree more than I initially thought.
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