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Re: Grin's vulnerability disclosure and security process


In the interests of not escalating this further, and as another passerby,
I'm willing to stick my neck out and say I don't think the code of conduct
will be the doom Grin.

I'd even go as far as saying it's a positive thing. Good work Igno!

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 6:07 PM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@xxxxxxxx>

> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 4:18 AM, Ignotus Peverell
> <igno.peverell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 09:19, Luke Kenneth Casson
> > Leighton <lkcl@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > <snipped>
> >
> >> ah. i had not realised that the project has adopted one of this
> >> extremely dangerous and toxic documents.
> >
> > It's been around for almost a year, it's in the nature of the project
> already. All committers and contributors seem happy about it, pretty sure
> no one is absolutely terrorised. If you participated more, you'd see that
> we've been thoughtful in applying it. It's also mostly inspired from the
> Rust project, which has been doing fairly well. And we all know FreeBSD has
> had its issues, even well before any policy adoption.
> >
> >> however... if i do not hear from you within a week, or if you, the
> >> developers, have no intention of replacing that extremely dangerous
> >> document with an alternative, then i will require that you remove me
> >> from this mailing list, and i will be recommending to the people that
> >> i am in discussions with that this project be blacklisted from
> >> consideration. it's that serious.
> >
> > As far as toxicity is concerned, vociferous ultimatums from passerbys
> rate quite a bit higher than code of conducts in my book. So here, I'll
> help you, the unsubscribe button can be found right under the "Mailing
> List" section:
>  ok, so you didn't listen, in other words you are unaware of the
> procedures here:
>  http://www.crnhq.org/content.aspx?file=66138|37449y#Empathy
>  which is actually a much more important indication of the fact that
> this project is extremely likely to fail than the issue of having a
> dangerously toxic document as the fundamental core basis of guiding
> community interaction.
>  in replying as you did, you also violated one of the key systemic
> laws of organisations, "all contributor and all contributions are
> valuable".
>  you also failed to understand that it is often only through external
> help and insights that groups can be alerted to the existence of a
> problem.
>  i am not giving you these insights for *your* benefit - i am
> providing them so that the public records show that you were given
> advice, and you failed to listen to it.
>  for the benefit of external people reading the mailing list archives:
> unless there is a change in how the project is managed and run, from
> prior experience i anticipate it will fail some time within the next
> 6-18 months.
> l.
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