Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

[Thamawij Pirajnaraporn <ubuntu.thamawij@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi All,

One thing I'm happy about is many people interesting in this topic, even though I picked it up too late. How about making some adjustment ? In my view, remove the panel is just fine. Here's the reasons and some of them also answers.

• The panel that have click-able things will make touch users confuse.
• File/Edit/View ... under the title bar also easier to touch than global menu.�
• Doesn't matter if the dock cannot be hide for now. Just make it not appear in fullscreen mode. If hiding was required that bad, then just make a 3 fingers�gesture to make it slide in or out. But I don't think hiding is necessary since the dock takes horizon space and most monitors are wide. iPad and iPhone menu also takes narrow edge of the screen for the same reason and no need to hide. (Basic app template of iPhone has 3 - 5 permanent menu buttons at the bottom edge and iPad basic design for horizontal view always has menu button on left of right edge, forming like Unity dock.)

However, the biggest problem is windows control If we still use close/minimize button at top of each windows. No one could touch that without a few tries. Here's some solution.

• Make the theme looks like one that deviantart :�http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2011/009/3/1/ubuntu_theme_mockup_v2_by_rustedthorn-d36sxqf.png. This is a good idea, combining the title bar and menus into one and makes icons easy to touch. No need for panel. If the buttons of the windows were placed right-handed, the float button idea of Fredrik might work. Otherwise we may ...
• Touching already activated icon makes the active window minimize.
• On the dock icon, holding touch for a second or double tap to access pop-up menu that contains close, new instance or selection between instances. Mouse users access this via right click or double click or holding.

That's all I could come up for now. Anyone comes up with better idea that possibly adapting the current interface please share. It may not able to be in the upcoming version but I will try to pick them up for the next one when the time has come. Hope this be helpful. I wanna see Ubuntu beats Mac in design someday.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 7:44 PM, frederik.nnaji@xxxxxxxxx <frederik.nnaji@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:22, Conscious User <conscioususer@xxxxxxx> wrote:

I'm not really interested in brainstorming right now. Natty is going to be released in three
months and I'm interested in knowing which ideas the official design team *already have*
to address the hover issue, or why they don't consider it an issue.

there is talk about "gestures" solving many of these transitional problems for the time being.
Eye-tracking is somewhat gestural Ix, but the type of gestures meant here are 2-3-4 or even hand gestures on a touch-device.
Yes, dear design team, what's with it? May we know a little more about this?

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