Re: [Ayatana] Unity2D -- wow! (And hidden window buttons)

[huff <huffylinux@xxxxxxxxx>]

The fact that you keep bringing up the corner means you aren't
getting my point.

It's fine that the corner-ness is helpful to you and others.  I get
that.  I have already explained that that is not an issue for me,
nor do I find it all that helpful.

So, I feel It would be a waste of my time to continue discussing
this.  Sorry.


On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 08:16:11 +0200 Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:

> Den 28. aug. 2011 07:55, skrev huff:
> >
> > I also did a test with my eyes closed, just to see how much it
> > affected me not being able to see the buttons as all. I was
> > able to hit the close button 8 of 10 times when I had my eyes
> > closed. I'd say the speed was about the same.
> > What about the maximize button?  Or the minimize button?  Why
> > the focus on the close button?  That's the easiest one anyway
> > (if it's in the corner and the others are next to it).
> 
> The point is that you can get to within 20 pixels of any of
> the buttons with your eyes closed and then the buttons
> are visible. That is probably about as accurate as people
> will get if they move the pointer quickly towards the buttons
> in any case, so that means it doesn't harm that they're
> not visible until the mouse is there.
> 
> > That's the part that I think you are are missing. I aim at
> > things I can see, not locations I have learned. The wait after
> > the corner for me would not be waiting for the buttons, but
> > waiting for me to identify where the one i want is. Normally I
> > do that step while moving the mouse, so it takes no extra time. 
> 
> I think you're wrong. I didn't even notice that they had been
> hidden immediately. I'm not even entirely sure how I
> noticed it, but I immediately liked it. Hence the subject.
> It certainly hasn't slowed me down in any way.
> 
> >> Well. If it's such  great concern, then there's always other
> >> shells or even operating systems.
> > I may have to do that, but I will be sad about it.  I
> > liked Ubuntu a lot up until I tried Unity for awhile.  I went
> > back to Classic, and am just hoping that the next version of
> > Unity works for me.  Which is why I signed up for this list in
> > the first place.
> >
> Unity is a fairly small part of Ubuntu though. We have
> at least ten different shells that I know of. There's probably
> quite a few more. But I would recommend against taking a
> strong stance before you've actually tried it. I think it works
> very nicely.
> >> But I haven't been able to find any real, unbiased, person who
> >> has any complaints about it. I haven't found any arguments here
> >> either, except for yours; "I don't like it."
> > I most certainly am biased by what works for me.  Part of my
> > job is designing interfaces, and I am quite familiar with what
> > causes me to stumble.  So if "everyone" else "should" do it a
> > different way than I (and some of them) prefer, and Ubuntu
> > forces us to do it that other way, then so be it.  I will
> > switch.
> Ubuntu doesn't force anything. Gnome Shell is in the software
> center, for instance. But you keep saying that it's wrong, but
> you don't really provide any arguments to support that claim.
> Perhaps Unity isn't the most suitable shell for the most technical
> users, but it certainly seems user friendly to the less
> experienced.
> >> Yes, but from what you're saying I don't think you've tested
> >> it yourself, much less tested it on others. For instance, we've
> >> never before had the buttons in the corner.
> > I may have missed something in this thread, since the posts
> > are so long, but being in the corner is not really helpful to
> > me. If I can see them, it hardly matters to me where they are.
> 
> Right. If they aren't in the corner, then you have ti see them.
> But since they're in the corner, you don't have to see them,
> which makes the interface less confusing because there are
> less clutter and useless controls.
> 
> Jo-Erlend Schinstad
> 
> 
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