On 02/02/14 22:43, Leigh Tate wrote:
Hi Geoff,
I can so relate to your feelings about the changes to NewDocs. I
still have to stop and think to find pages the team uses. Things were
so simple in the early days, *sigh*. I suppose that's what happens
with a community project, however. I'm thinking about proposing that
the helpful links page be removed from the L page and given it's own
spot elsewhere; I just haven't figures out where.
The tool of high hit pages is overwhelming, isn't it? Thankfully you
figured out how to find the pages as web links. Actually, going
through it, checking the pages, and sorting it out could be a helpful
job for a new or temporary team member. It doesn't really relate to
what you've been doing. i.e. finding new pages. It's probably more up
my street and I figured I could treat like the Bank and only focus on
the relevant letter. For other purposes it could be ignored or kept
in the back of our minds as information in case we need it.
Regarding sacking you, we're all volunteers!!! IOW, none of us has
the authority. Even with a resignation, and I know I do a lot of the
writing for the team, I would feel neither comfortable nor qualified
to write anybody's resignation as a wiki thread announcement. I
figure if and when the time comes, I won't even write one for myself.
I confess response (or lack of until NewDocs birthday) has been a bit
disappointing there, but at least we're keeping NewDocs out there as
an active project. Maybe we've done too much recruiting and folks are
afraid if they say something they'll be corralled into
"volunteering", LOL
Anyway, I think we need to seriously consider your points and
objections, Geoff. Thank you so much for at least taking the time to
express them. It's far too easy to just get carried along and never
stop to analyze changes to a given project. Not all ideas are good
ones and not all change is progress.
Best wishes,
Leigh
----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Smith
Sent: 02/02/14 01:58 AM
To: newdocs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Newdocs] But 1st, team guidelines(?) [was Re: My
Resignation.]
On 02/02/14 15:45, Geoff Smith wrote: > On 02/02/14 14:53, Geoff
Smith wrote: >> On 02/02/14 14:16, Leigh Tate wrote: >>> Geoff, you
really deserve a lot more credit than you've allowed us >>> to share.
NewDocs was your brain child and you worked hard in the >>> formative
stages. I know others encouraged and helped, but you did >>> the
grunt work. The only reason I got involved was because of you, >>>
and because of your gentle, unassuming leadership. You've always led
>>> by example, from the doing to the way you've encouraged others to
>>> become involved. Your vision was infectious. Your vision has been
a >>> success. >>> >>> There are absolutely no hard feelings toward
your resignation on my >>> part. Of course I would encourage you to
stay on, even at a lower >>> key. You grasp certain aspects of
NewDocs differently than I do or >>> David does. I've relied on that
during the times I'm puzzled or >>> uncertain about what I'm doing.
But I know it wouldn't be respectful >>> to try to pressure you to
stay on. You know your own needs best and >>> I must respect that.
Hopefully from time to time you'll still feel >>> like putting your 2
cents worth in. And I hope if you have another >>> of your good ideas
you'll share it. All of that would be most >>> welcome! But only at
your own pace and as you feel inspired to do >>> so, my friend. >>>
>>> Best wishes, >>> Leigh >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From:
Geoff Smith >>> Sent: 02/01/14 09:13 PM >>> To:
newdocs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: Re: [Newdocs] But 1st, team
guidelines(?) [was Re: My >>> Resignation.] >>> >>> On 02/02/14
12:54, Geoff Smith wrote: > On 02/02/14 12:22, Geoff >>> Smith wrote:
>> On 01/02/14 11:39, Geoff Smith wrote: >>> On >>> 01/02/14 08:35,
Geoff Smith wrote: >>>> On 01/02/14 08:29, Svetlana >>> Belkin wrote:
>>>>> On 01/31/2014 04:26 PM, Leigh Tate wrote: >>>>>> >>> Good bye
Geoff. I respect your decision and wish you well. >>>>> >>> Good-bye
Geoff, thanks for your ideas and I also wish you well. >>> >>>>>
>>>>> Svetlana Belkin >>>> Thanks to you all, >>>> >>>> >>> Cheers,
>>>> Geoff. >>>> >>> It's been nice knowing you David, >>> >>> >>>
Cheers, >>> Geoff. >>> >> It was an accumulation of a number of >>>
factors that led me to my >> decision. >> >> I am generally >>>
disillusioned with the mediocre performance on the >> Wiki thread.
>>> >> >> Things just got a bit much for my tired old brain to >>>
adequately take >> it all in! >> >> I hope there are no hard >>>
feelings as a result of my decision to resign. >> >> The first thing
>>> I have thought of in the last two mornings when I >> wake up is
>>> NewDocs. >> >> Cheers, >> Geoff. >> > BTW. The reference to the
Wiki >>> Thread was the low number of views to > the effort put in. >
Thanks >>> for the kind words on the Wiki thread Leigh - I don't
expect I will >>> respond there. I didn't expect there would be any
avenue for me to >>> have a few words after 2014-02-01 Cheers till I
am finally cut off! >>> Geoff. -- Mailing list:
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https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >>> >>> >> I'm afraid the
"improvements" for NewDocs are just a little too hard >> for me to
comprehend. You now need robots to carry out >> the day to day tasks.
There is little enjoyment in carrying out these >> tasks as far as I
am concerned. Newdocs used to be >> much simpler and more enjoyable
to carry out the day to day tasks. >> The latest tool for example
turns up with far more >> prospective pages than is necessary. Well
not for me David, I have no >> desire to plough through rubbish and
useless pages >> to end up with one one two positive examples. So
count me out. As I >> say, you don't need me, you need a robot. I am
afraid >> I have little choice but to resign. I am not prepared to
conduct the >> work as is expected. >> >> Cheers, >> Geoff. >> >> > I
assume that there will be an announcement in the Wiki thread re my >
resignation (due to dissatisfaction?) That would > be nice! I
apologize for not addressing your post but at present I > feel a
little riled. Thank you for your kind words but I > suspect that it
would be all or nothing for me. There is little room > here for this
little foot soldier. > > Cheers and best wishes, > Geoff. > Actually
thinking about things, I believe I would prefer to be sacked. This
situation is really dragging on. Kindly advise how this desire could
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Hi Leigh,
Actually I consider you are overworked - I don't think dotting every i
and crossing every t is necessary.
I suspect that much of your posts are not looked upon with all that
much interest by users anyway. Other
than the occasional words of encouragement from a couple of the
regulars, what are we met with on most
occasions when we post anyway - stony silence, that's what. Even when
you explicitly ask for help we are
met with that same stony silence. I wonder if the end user even cares
about how we go about updating
and/or improving NewDocs. They make a choice about whether they use it
for a tool or not, and and as for
how it is updated and improved upon, I think most users couldn't care
less. That stony silence has intrigued
me for a long time - even if you asked what it is all about you
probably would be met with the same stony
silence lol.
As for your job, I don't see why most of what you do NEEDS to be made
public. The actual updating the pages
in NewDocs is what I see your main job should be. And mine too, if I
was still here. NewDocs is lacking
something publicity wise - what it is exactly I don't know - but I
think the present procedures are falling
short as far as encouraging results go. We need users telling us on
the Wiki thread what they are getting out
of NewDocs. The Wiki thread needs to be improved upon to encourage
reader interest and as a by product
encourage the use of NewDocs. May be that idea of Link of the month
with a summary would help. But as
you say Leigh the positioning of the page and it's introductory Link
are not ideal.
Anyway that summarizes my current thoughts,
Cheers,
Geoff.
