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[Mario Arias <the.clone.master@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Dale,

Can't you get this done by simple invoices or sale orders?
You create your products (Yoga beginners class, Kegel advanced class, ...)
and as uom for each product you use one based on time... Yoga class -> 30
min,   Kegel -> 15 min

Then your users can create orders in units (two Yoga classes, one Kegel
class, ...)

>From there, you can get anything you like, as total time invoiced per user,
or total number of units of Yoga Classes provided, ... with at most just
small changes to a couple reports...

Regards,
-Mario


On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Dale E. Moore <daleemoore@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Jeff;
>
> I like your clarity!
>
> A group of my users don't think in time, they think in units. They think
> of 1 Class instead of X minutes. They would re-write your project module
> specification something like this:
>
> The key point in the project module is to "record work activity".  So the
> main reasons to use this module are to record work activity for :
>    1- employee or consultant payroll
>    2- customer billing
>    3- progress, or utilization monitoring
> If you need to record work activity, the project module is the best
> solution for your needs.
>
> I'm thinking a new view that would no longer show the Time Spent field,
> but; instead show a Units Spent field. And since an employee can work on
> several different products, a selector to pick the applicable product. So
> they would enter:
>
>    1. Work Summary
>    2. Product (Yoga beginners class, Kegel advanced class, ...)
>    3. Units Spent (1 Class, 2 Classes)
>    4. Done By
>    5. Date
>
> And the program would retain the entered fields, but; also calculate
> time_spent = units_spent * known_time_per_product. I think that
> known_time_per_product would have to exist with the product.
>
> Payroll time is satisfied. A new billing format will be needed for these
> types of projects that would show Units Spent instead of Time Spent. We
> don't require changes to progress, or utilization monitoring because those
> few people are used to thinking in minutes.
>
> I appreciate your time and attention to my problem! Are there other issues
> that occur to you where I should be cautious?
>
> I hope this note finds you and finds you well,
> DaleEMoore@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 12:13 AM, jeff.wang <jeff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dale,
>>
>>    The key point in openerp project module is "record time spend".  So
>> the main reason to use this module should be(In My Personal Opinion):
>>
>>    1- you need record the work time of your employee to pay for their
>> real work time
>>
>>    2- you need record the time your customer consumed to bill them for
>> your real work time
>>
>>    3- you need record the work time of your employee to know the progess
>> of a project or spec task, or utilization for spec employee
>>
>>
>>    So, if you refuse to record task time, project module should not be
>> the best solution for your needs.
>>
>> ------------------
>> Jeff Wang |  jeff@xxxxxxxxx | 18016291663 | 02158980787
>> @OpenERP_Jeff "As simple as possible, As complex as needed"
>>   <http://www.osbzr.com>
>>  Maintainer of Open ERP china community
>>  http://www.openerp-china.org
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------ Original ------------------
>> *From: * "Dale E. Moore"<daleemoore@xxxxxxxxx>;
>> *Date: * Thu, Dec 27, 2012 11:45 AM
>> *To: * "Eric Caudal"<eric.caudal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; **
>> *Cc: * "openerp-community"<openerp-community@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; **
>> *Subject: * Re: [Openerp-community] v61 Tasks Work employee product is
>> units?
>>
>> I can't be certain it'll be 1/4 an hour units. A product unit duration
>> might be anything, I'll have to keep the conversion formula for X minutes =
>> 1 unit somewhere.
>>
>> Does it seem unreasonable to you for me to inherit the task work entry
>> view, enter the unit into a new field, calculate the Time Spent and save
>> the unit field along with the old fields populated with my calculated
>> results?
>>
>> Does this seem completely unreasonable?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Eric Caudal <eric.caudal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>>  Maybe you should create a "quarter of hour" or use the decimal
>>> accuracy in UoM to 0,25.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Eric Caudal*CEO*
>>> --*Elico Corporation, Shanghai branchOpenERP Premium Certified Training Partner *
>>> Cell: + 86 186 2136 1670
>>> Office: + 86 21 6211 8017/27/37
>>> Skype: elico.corperic.caudal@elico-corp.comhttp://www.elico-corp.com
>>>
>>>  On 12/27/2012 09:50 AM, Dale E. Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Eric, I appreciate your insight!
>>>
>>>  The user wants to enter 1 Yoga Class which everyone involved knows is
>>> 30 minutes. Or 1 Kegel exercise class which is 15 minutes.
>>>
>>>  I'd mentioned earlier
>>>
>>>  Maybe I could inherit the Task Work data entry form and let the user
>>>> enter 1 or 2 or 3 pieces worked on, then; convert this information to
>>>> the Time Spent required by Task Work. But, I'll have to figure out what a
>>>> single piece means to me time-wise. Like a single 30 minute Yoga class
>>>> would be entered as 1 Class but would become 0:30 Time Spent or 2
>>>> classes would become 1 hour worked (and billed.)
>>>
>>>
>>>  so my project entry would be what the user wants but the retained
>>> project data would be what the system needs.
>>>
>>>  Am I crazy?
>>> DaleEMoore@xxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Eric Caudal <eric.caudal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>  The UoM is defined in the product used in the relevant user.
>>>> You cannot convert PCE to hours if they are not in the same UoM
>>>> category.
>>>> But you can say 1 day = 8 h in same category: OpenERP will take care of
>>>> the conversion.
>>>>
>>>> Eric Caudal*CEO*
>>>> --*Elico Corporation, Shanghai branchOpenERP Premium Certified Training Partner *
>>>> Cell: + 86 186 2136 1670
>>>> Office: + 86 21 6211 8017/27/37
>>>> Skype: elico.corperic.caudal@elico-corp.comhttp://www.elico-corp.com
>>>>
>>>>   On 12/27/2012 09:32 AM, Dale E. Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry Cristian; I've tried several times to understand your two
>>>> questions and I'm pretty sure I don't understand what you are asking.
>>>>
>>>> You said "Hello, so if its dont configured the worktime in project,
>>>> hour is the UoM by default ?" I think you were asking "Is Work Task entry
>>>> default UoM Hour?" I believe the answer is yes, especially since the
>>>> relevant field is "Time Spent."
>>>>
>>>>  You said "And is used to compute the task and project progress ?" I
>>>> think you were asking "Is 'Time Spent' used to compute task and project
>>>> progress?" I believe the answer to that is yes, because; task and project
>>>> progress seem to increase by 'Time Spent' amounts.
>>>>
>>>>  Please let me know if I've misunderstood your questions!
>>>>
>>>>  You raise a relevant point; how would the current Project entry work
>>>> by only partially shifting to PCE, Piece or Unit entry. Shouldn't I also
>>>> compute task and project progress? I think you are right, thanks for the
>>>> insight! I should look through the entire Project to see how Piece instead
>>>> of Time would be calculated.
>>>>
>>>>  And this raises another question. Where do I retain the calculation 1
>>>> Piece = XYZ hours? This sounds more like a manufacturing effect than
>>>> project management.
>>>>
>>>>  I appreciate y'alls insights!
>>>> DaleEMoore@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Ovnicraft <ovnicraft@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:33 AM, jeff.wang <jeff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Dale,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hour is UOM of time, you need use a time UOM for a task, eg, day or
>>>>>> week or month or maybe year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hello, so if its dont configured the worktime in project, hour is
>>>>> the UoM by default ?
>>>>> And is used to compute the task and project progress ?
>>>>>
>>>>>  Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  PCE is piece, do you want a piece of task ? never.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  so try to input day or hour in the UOM for your product. good luck !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  ------------------
>>>>>>  Jeff Wang | jeff@xxxxxxxxx | 18016291663 | 02158980787
>>>>>> @OpenERP_Jeff "As simple as possible, As complex as needed"
>>>>>>   <http://www.osbzr.com>
>>>>>>  Maintainer of Open ERP china community
>>>>>>  http://www.openerp-china.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  ------------------ Original ------------------
>>>>>>  *From: * "Dale E. Moore"<daleemoore@xxxxxxxxx>;
>>>>>> *Date: * Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:35 AM
>>>>>> *To: * "openerp-community"<openerp-community@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>>>>>> *Subject: * [Openerp-community] v61 Tasks Work employee product is
>>>>>> units?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  When I enter the Time Spent for a Task Work and the Analytic
>>>>>> User/Product Rel. is a UoM other than time, like PCE, I get
>>>>>> "Conversion from Product UoM Hour to Default UoM PCE is not possible
>>>>>> as they both belong to different Category!."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have I missed configuring my installation to allow PCE UoM entry for
>>>>>> Task Work, or is that something that's not allowed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I look forward to hearing from you,
>>>>>> DaleEMoore@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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