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[Thorsten Vocks <thorsten.vocks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

i have checked it and i like it.

PROS:
- In most cases it will cover essential reporting demand of most small
medium business.
- in all other bi tools i know (palo, pentaho), it is quite complex to
 extract and load data from external system, to design olap cube, to design
reports for some basic report demand every company has, f.e. to analyse
simple measures like sold qty or revenues for some simple dimensions like
salesmen, products, time.
- it is probably possible to cover up to 70% - 80% of demanded reports (for
SMB).
- i agree that focussing on one technology i also expect better acceptance
of the people who guide SMB managers to use this reports. However it was
indeed not possible to see how complex it will be to bridge the 20-30% gap.
- individual BI projects are normally expensive, in a lot of cases too
expensive for customers with 5-50 employees => integrated Light BI is much
better than nothing for this companies.


CONS:
- specific tools, f.e. olap cubes are eventually more flexible. They allow
to relate data, f.e. data from sales + project management in one cube
snapshot.
- the design of grid reports is easy and in well known environments, f.e.
in excel spreadsheets (or something which looks very similar).
- integrated bi reporting tools (like in the runbot branch) mostly doesn't
allow to calculate cells like in spreadsheets.
- i expect the larger the company the less is coverage of report demand.


Wishlist:

- allow to shoot snapshots (=pasting visible grid in a integrated
web-spreadsheet)
-integrate the possibility to add columns and lines like in a spreadsheet
- integrate the possibility to calculate cells (f.e. relations of income +
costs) in a flexible grid (like a web spreadsheet tool).
- allow flexible creation of individual  spreadsheet reports.
- save indiviual spreadsheet reports in a workbook.
- allow splashing (for planning) => Create any muldimensional grid on x + y
axe (like it already does), representing the values from openerp database.
Create a mirrored / shadowed report. Allow over-writing of any cell. Let
the system ask if system should distribute the value to x + y axes, by
splashing functionality.
- Allow to save the splashed data. This functionality should allow top-down
planning, splitting the edited value over all dimensions in the grid to all
children elements.
- Finally allow editing values of children levels.
- Allow fixing of parent levels (= re-calculation of values on the same
level)
- Finally allow to export either to a integrated web spreadsheet,
eventually google spreadsheet or excel.
- The integrated spreadsheet should be something like etherpad integration,
f.e. like ethercalc <http://ethercalc.net/#about>.

- integrate web statistics from google analytics (as reporting part of new
web-cms)

I hope the wishlist was not too confusing, i remember from
palo<http://www.jedox.com/assets/pdf/factsheet/Factsheet_Jedox_Web_eng.pdf>,
that people liked to work in spreadsheets and to do simultaniously
top-down, bottom-up planning.


Thorsten Vocks

openBIG.org



2014/1/23 Fabien Pinckaers <fp@xxxxxxxxxxx>

> Ovnicraft,
>
> Please test it. Check and judge by yourself if you don't agree. Our
> solution has PROs and CONs and it's very difficult to have an interesting
> conversation if you don't know what you are talking about and you don't
> have seen it before. We will waste time arguing "it's not feasible", "it's
> probably not as good", "but saiku do it that way", "Not Inveted Here is
> never a good approach..." if you don't judge by yourself.
>
> It's quite easy to test on runbot, here is the steps to test:
>   - Go to runbot: http://runbot.openerp.com
>   - Search the branch  "trunk-new-graphview-ged"
>   - Click on the arrow on the right of connect and select "All Addons"
>   - Go to Sales > Opportunities
>   - Switch to graph view
>   - Play with the data (the 'cube' view is the first icon)
>
> Once you will have tested it, I can answer all questions and we can
> discuss PROs and CONs. Before, we all waste our time.
>
> - -
> Fabien
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Ovnicraft <ovnicraft@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Fabien Pinckaers <fp@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I suggest not to go for pentaho, spago, saiku, or others. You should
>>> check the branch of Antony, we developed nearly all features of current BI
>>> software and it's already fully working.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think the community should better concentrate to build apps in OpenERP
>>> rather than trying to integrate with third party tools. Integration are
>>> always painful, difficult to reuse from one project to another, ...
>>> Developing a BI cube is just a few weeks of work (3 months for one
>>> developer, less than 1000 lines of code). Today, OpenERP is so advanced
>>> that developing a new app on OpenERP is usually easier than trying to
>>> integrate with others applications. It's much more powerful and it's
>>> maintainable over a long period of time.
>>>
>>
>> Hi @Fabien: BI capabilities are a little bit hard to write, a Q: that
>> 1000 LOC has something like agregation, browsing, OLAP, ROLAP, logical
>> analysis, phisical analysis, hirarchical deps, slice ? just to mention few
>> features. You can check http://cubes.databrewery.org/
>>
>> IDK if DRY is lost here, but integration is part of make apps and systems
>> work together, via WS and OERP has a good stuff here.
>> NIH Rule is a bad option.
>>
>> Have a good graphs dont means has BI capabilities, if i am wrong please
>> describe features.
>>
>> I consider OERP could be strong in WS maker new APIs, new methods,
>> formats, etc and help us to write more apps w/o reinvent the wheel.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> ,
>>
>> We used to say internally that everything we develop that is not an
>>> OpenERP module will probably die in a few years. We did the mistake to
>>> integrate with SugarCRM, Alfresco, Ubercart, Webdav, CALDAV, Moodle. None
>>> of these modules are still useable today.
>>>
>>> With OpenERP, modules last if they are integrated, not if they are
>>> interfaced. Search on the web, you will find plenty of integration with
>>> Pentaho, SpagoBI, ... I bet that none of them are reusable on v7.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's why I think you should rely on the work done on this branch:
>>> trunk-new-graphview-ged (on http://runbot.openerp.com)
>>>
>>> To test, go to any record (e.g. opportunities) and switch to the graph
>>> view. Then, play with the cubes.
>>>
>>>
>>> The future is going to be integrated, not interfaced...
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Fabien
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Axel Mendoza Pupo <aekroft@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> You could take a look at http://cubes.databrewery.org/ itś a python
>>>> based solution, it seems to be a good tool, lightweight, powerful and will
>>>> be not very difficult to get integrated into OpenERP
>>>>
>>>> Light-weight Python framework and OLAP HTTP server for easy development
>>>> of reporting applications and aggregate browsing of multi-dimensionally
>>>> modeled data.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Eric Caudal <
>>>> eric.caudal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Thanks everybody for the feedback!
>>>>> BTW: the branch in runbot is not responsive. I will test it locally
>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric Caudal*CEO*
>>>>> --*Elico Corporation, Shanghai branch
>>>>> OpenERP Premium Certified Training Partner *
>>>>>
>>>>> Cell: + 86 186 2136 1670
>>>>> Office: + 86 21 6211 8017/27/37
>>>>> Skype: elico.corperic.caudal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> http://www.elico-corp.com
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Elico Corp]
>>>>> On 01/23/2014 06:44 PM, Antony Lesuisse wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You may also check the branch trunk-new-graphview-ged it's available
>>>>> on runbot http://runbot.openerp.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a new graph view with BI capabilities. It will be merged in trunk
>>>>> in a few days.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://code.launchpad.net/~openerp-dev/openerp-web/trunk-new-graphview-ged
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/23/2014 07:24 AM, Eric Caudal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> What are currently the technical solutions available for OpenERP to be
>>>>> able to
>>>>> generate cubes for Business Intelligence?
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to prepare a panel of solutions for one of my customers and
>>>>> would like
>>>>> to know:
>>>>> - Tools and vendors involved
>>>>> - Difficulty to integrate withh OpenERP7 current data model
>>>>> - Price range if relevant.
>>>>>
>>>>> NB:
>>>>> I am not really looking for static reporting tools but more for
>>>>> dynamic data
>>>>> builders (equivalent to Cognos or Crystal Report).
>>>>> It doesnot need to be opensource and Google is not an option as
>>>>> google.doc is
>>>>> not available in China.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking forward to reading you
>>>>> --
>>>>> Eric CAUDAL
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric Caudal
>>>>> /CEO/
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Elico Corporation, Shanghai branch
>>>>> /OpenERP Premium Certified Training Partner/  *
>>>>> Cell: + 86 186 2136 1670
>>>>> Office: + 86 21 6211 8017/27/37
>>>>> Skype: elico.corp
>>>>> eric.caudal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx  <mailto:eric.caudal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><eric.caudal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> http://www.elico-corp.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Elico Corp
>>>>>
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