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[Ana Juaristi <ajuaristio@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Fabien:

I have just done what you recomend and have been playing little bit with
opportunities. I like it. I think it's much more powerfull than reports on
previous versions and it has got capabilites to cover the needs of most of
companies but ... a single doubt.
Usually BI systems are used to compare data between different objects. For
instance, comparing sales-purchases prices for products, projects. Rotating
products or mixing manufacturing with projects or accountancy.
Would it be possible defining cubes mixing different OpenRP objects?
Defining common and agregate fields to build cubes or stars as usually is
done on any BI system. If yes...  I think that any integration would not be
necesary otherwise, it will still be necesary for several companies.

Thank you:
Ana





2014/1/23 Fabien Pinckaers <fp@xxxxxxxxxxx>

> In addition, here are the remaining tasks that are the minimum before it's
> useable:
>   - the "extended search" will be expanded on top of the view to easily
> slice
>   - export data to excel
>
> Then we will continue on extra features like better dashboards, ...
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Fabien Pinckaers <fp@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Ovnicraft,
>>
>> Please test it. Check and judge by yourself if you don't agree. Our
>> solution has PROs and CONs and it's very difficult to have an interesting
>> conversation if you don't know what you are talking about and you don't
>> have seen it before. We will waste time arguing "it's not feasible", "it's
>> probably not as good", "but saiku do it that way", "Not Inveted Here is
>> never a good approach..." if you don't judge by yourself.
>>
>> It's quite easy to test on runbot, here is the steps to test:
>>   - Go to runbot: http://runbot.openerp.com
>>   - Search the branch  "trunk-new-graphview-ged"
>>   - Click on the arrow on the right of connect and select "All Addons"
>>   - Go to Sales > Opportunities
>>   - Switch to graph view
>>   - Play with the data (the 'cube' view is the first icon)
>>
>> Once you will have tested it, I can answer all questions and we can
>> discuss PROs and CONs. Before, we all waste our time.
>>
>> - -
>> Fabien
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Ovnicraft <ovnicraft@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Fabien Pinckaers <fp@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I suggest not to go for pentaho, spago, saiku, or others. You should
>>>> check the branch of Antony, we developed nearly all features of current BI
>>>> software and it's already fully working.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think the community should better concentrate to build apps in
>>>> OpenERP rather than trying to integrate with third party tools. Integration
>>>> are always painful, difficult to reuse from one project to another, ...
>>>> Developing a BI cube is just a few weeks of work (3 months for one
>>>> developer, less than 1000 lines of code). Today, OpenERP is so advanced
>>>> that developing a new app on OpenERP is usually easier than trying to
>>>> integrate with others applications. It's much more powerful and it's
>>>> maintainable over a long period of time.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi @Fabien: BI capabilities are a little bit hard to write, a Q: that
>>> 1000 LOC has something like agregation, browsing, OLAP, ROLAP, logical
>>> analysis, phisical analysis, hirarchical deps, slice ? just to mention few
>>> features. You can check http://cubes.databrewery.org/
>>>
>>> IDK if DRY is lost here, but integration is part of make apps and
>>> systems work together, via WS and OERP has a good stuff here.
>>> NIH Rule is a bad option.
>>>
>>> Have a good graphs dont means has BI capabilities, if i am wrong please
>>> describe features.
>>>
>>> I consider OERP could be strong in WS maker new APIs, new methods,
>>> formats, etc and help us to write more apps w/o reinvent the wheel.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> ,
>>>
>>> We used to say internally that everything we develop that is not an
>>>> OpenERP module will probably die in a few years. We did the mistake to
>>>> integrate with SugarCRM, Alfresco, Ubercart, Webdav, CALDAV, Moodle. None
>>>> of these modules are still useable today.
>>>>
>>>> With OpenERP, modules last if they are integrated, not if they are
>>>> interfaced. Search on the web, you will find plenty of integration with
>>>> Pentaho, SpagoBI, ... I bet that none of them are reusable on v7.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's why I think you should rely on the work done on this branch:
>>>> trunk-new-graphview-ged (on http://runbot.openerp.com)
>>>>
>>>> To test, go to any record (e.g. opportunities) and switch to the graph
>>>> view. Then, play with the cubes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The future is going to be integrated, not interfaced...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Fabien
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Axel Mendoza Pupo <aekroft@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You could take a look at http://cubes.databrewery.org/ itś a python
>>>>> based solution, it seems to be a good tool, lightweight, powerful and will
>>>>> be not very difficult to get integrated into OpenERP
>>>>>
>>>>> Light-weight Python framework and OLAP HTTP server for easy
>>>>> development of reporting applications and aggregate browsing of
>>>>> multi-dimensionally modeled data.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Eric Caudal <
>>>>> eric.caudal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Thanks everybody for the feedback!
>>>>>> BTW: the branch in runbot is not responsive. I will test it locally
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric Caudal*CEO*
>>>>>> --*Elico Corporation, Shanghai branch
>>>>>> OpenERP Premium Certified Training Partner *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cell: + 86 186 2136 1670
>>>>>> Office: + 86 21 6211 8017/27/37
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: Elico Corp]
>>>>>> On 01/23/2014 06:44 PM, Antony Lesuisse wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may also check the branch trunk-new-graphview-ged it's available
>>>>>> on runbot http://runbot.openerp.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a new graph view with BI capabilities. It will be merged in
>>>>>> trunk in a few days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://code.launchpad.net/~openerp-dev/openerp-web/trunk-new-graphview-ged
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/23/2014 07:24 AM, Eric Caudal wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> What are currently the technical solutions available for OpenERP to
>>>>>> be able to
>>>>>> generate cubes for Business Intelligence?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need to prepare a panel of solutions for one of my customers and
>>>>>> would like
>>>>>> to know:
>>>>>> - Tools and vendors involved
>>>>>> - Difficulty to integrate withh OpenERP7 current data model
>>>>>> - Price range if relevant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NB:
>>>>>> I am not really looking for static reporting tools but more for
>>>>>> dynamic data
>>>>>> builders (equivalent to Cognos or Crystal Report).
>>>>>> It doesnot need to be opensource and Google is not an option as
>>>>>> google.doc is
>>>>>> not available in China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking forward to reading you
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Eric CAUDAL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric Caudal
>>>>>> /CEO/
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *Elico Corporation, Shanghai branch
>>>>>> /OpenERP Premium Certified Training Partner/  *
>>>>>> Cell: + 86 186 2136 1670
>>>>>> Office: + 86 21 6211 8017/27/37
>>>>>> Skype: elico.corp
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>>>>>> http://www.elico-corp.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elico Corp
>>>>>>
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