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[Thorsten Vocks <thorsten.vocks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hello, fiscal positions field is simply essential for our customers in
germany.
I wondered a little bit that you do not need fiscal positions in austria.
How do you create account moves with the right account number and
right taxes automatically posted on creation of an invoice, in case you
have to invoice customers or suppliers in other EU countries or from outside
EU? Is there any module or something else i missed up to now to do this.

Best regards
Thorsten

2010/9/2 Raphaël Valyi <rvalyi@xxxxxxxxx>

> Hello,
>
> for Brazil we absolutely need something like fiscal position (we built
> ln10_br over it currently). Indeed, Brazil being a "federation of states",
> VAT are different from states to states and it's a bit like a company doing
> import/export in Europe but between Brazilian states directly (we even need
> a base of report_intrastat and find it sad OpenERP S.A. never got involved
> in the discussion to extract a clean common basis of report_intrastat).
>
> Actually, we would be happier if the fiscal position could be line specific
> (inheriting from the order fiscal position by default) rather than just
> order specific, but I guess this isn't very simple/safe to refactor properly
> and we made our way around it for now (using more product taxes that then
> got remapped properly product by product using sophisticated fiscal
> positions).
>
> I recall that we built two important modules to map taxes properly in
> Brazil at least be see them as generic and independent from l10n_br:
> in extra addons (5.0 and now trunk):
>
>    - assign a list of taxes to products by
>    default: account_product_fiscal_classification (in Brazil, every product
>    comes with 4 to 6 VATS, then the fiscal position will nullify/change them
>    properly depending on the state, partner type etc... )
>    - automatically select the right fiscal position on orders/invoices
>    according to partner address, partner type etc: account_fiscal_position_rule
>
> May I recall that currently we might not override order/invoice on_change
> events as we would like to (concretely we pass the partner and then read its
> main invoicing address rather than pass the invoice address directly)
> because currently Openobject makes it a big Pain In The Ass to add
> parameters in on_change events, as this easily makes modules incompatible
> out of the box (incompatible positional arguments in method signatures).
> I advise OpenERP S.A. to provide a new on_change API based on dictionaries
> (as Tryton did) for v6 and refactor only the 20% of most commonly used
> on_changes to it for now, but mainly let third party modules implementers
> take advantage of it, that will always cost less to build new
> clean/compatible modules now, rather than build lots of incompatibles
> modules that will later need to be refactored with customers and third party
> modules unable to migrate cheaply.
>
>
> Raphaël Valyi
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>
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Ferdinand Gassauer <office@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> On Thursday 02 September 2010 15:05:07 Jan Verlaan - Veritos wrote:
>> >   [quote Ferdinand]
>> >
>> > General Question
>> > * who needs fiscal postion ? - can this be be displayed only for certain
>> > localisations / groups ?
>> >
>> > [end quote]
>> >
>> > At least within EU every company that sells or buys products outside
>> > their own country to other companies (B2B) needs the fiscal position to
>> > replace the standard taxes with the export or import taxes.
>> > So can we determine a group here? Yes, companies that do import/export
>> > of products/services. But that are most of the companies as for e.g. a
>> > Google Adwords invoice is already import and needs the use of fiscal
>> > position.
>>
>> Thanks for answering.
>>
>> It's a realy nice solution, but AFAICS implemented only data for France
>> and
>> Belgium
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> ChriCar Beteiligungs- und Beratungs- GmbH
>> http://www.chricar.at/ChriCar/index.html
>> Dr. Ferdinand Gassauer
>> Official Tiny Partner
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