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Re: making ppb meetings better (?)



On 09/09/2011 03:07 PM, John Dickinson wrote:
> To be clear, I too am hesitant to mute people. I do not want muting to
> be seen as a tool used to silence discussion or opinions. I only see it
> as useful as a potential way to organize the discussion to allow for
> more clarity.
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 9, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Paul Voccio <openstack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:openstack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> John,
>> We were just discussing this problem the other day. I'm hesitant to
>> mute people, but the chaos is hard to follow. I often have to go back
>> and read the logs to study what people's opinions are. I would be
>> interested in trying some of your suggestions with the appropriate
>> time for comments and discussion with the community. 
>> pvo
>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Monty Taylor
>> <<mailto:mordred@xxxxxxxxxxxx>mordred@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:mordred@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>     On 09/09/2011 11:05 AM, John Dickinson wrote:
>>     > I have found the PPB meetings to be very disjointed and hard to
>>     > follow. A classic example is from our last meeting where 3 votes
>>     were
>>     > proposed and only 2 were voted on. At times we have several
>>     > conversations going on at once. Sometimes we vote, someone continues
>>     > the discussion, and then we revote. It's possible that people
>>     > offering support for an idea (with a +1) may be counted in a vote,
>>     > even if that person is not on the PPB. These sorts of things tend to
>>     > push the PPB meetings toward chaos.
>>     I fully agree with this.
>>     > 1) What if during the PPB meetings only those people on the PPB were
>>     > voiced and could speak? I absolutely do not want to discourage
>>     > valuable input from people not on the PPB, so I think this would
>>     > require meaningful time allowed for "public commentary" where anyone
>>     > and everyone can speak. One implementation would be to mute all
>>     > non-PPB members in the channel during a vote. Another implementation
>>     > would be to have designated non-PPB time about each topic, perhaps
>>     > after initial PPB member discussion. I think a more moderated
>>     > discussion could perhaps make better use of our limited meeting time
>>     > and help everyone be more clear on what is being discussed and voted
>>     > on.
>>     This is not a terrible idea.
>>     Also - I almost started hacking on something the other day and then
>>     realized that I have 50 bazillion more important things to do, BUT:
>>     The meetbot used in #ubuntu-meeting has a voting feature. Similar
>>     to the
>>     #topic command we use with our meetbot, it has a #vote command. So
>>     like:
>>     #vote Should we all only drink Dr. Pepper?
>>     And then it counts the +1's and such given by participants.
>>     So I was going to port that idea in to our meetbot.
>>     Additionally (and this would help support your voice/non-voice idea) I
>>     was thinking that if we gave an additional argument to
>>     #startmeeting (in
>>     my brain, the launchpad team, since we already have those set up) we
>>     could have the meetbot grab a list of people it allows to vote, etc.
>>     from the team given - and even add a couple of toggle commands #public
>>     #private which could toggle voices only to team members or to
>>     everyone.
>>     So, I think that's 2.5 feature requests for meetbot. On the plus side,
>>     the code is in python. Anybody wanna do a little hacking?
>>     > 2) Can we have an official summary of the meetings published after
>>     > each of the meetings? The notes that the meetbot provides are sparse
>>     > (at best) and the raw IRC logs are voluminous and hard to read.
>>     ++
>>     Monty
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