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[<druellan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Chris. First, happy new year.

Thanks for the clarification. On this days I will try to get back on track
on my contributions to the project.

One thing I was trying to wrap my head on was about the project visibility
from a newcomer point of view. You´re already solved most of the problems
on your last update on the wiki, but I'm going back and forth on the idea
about to give Ninjas and Papercutters an equal visibility on the wiki, and
a clear path for the newcomer to follow if he/she is interested on a major
involvement on the project.

For example, reading the wiki seems that you can become a Papercutter
without being a Ninja, but, can you? We're discussing this on the Ninja
maillist, so, seems obvious that you must have participation to become a
Papercutter, but again, reading the wiki seems that the Ninja team is more
about fixing than triaging, and there is not clear explanation about why or
how to join the team.

Overall, seems to me its not clear how the user can progress in the
project.

It is something like this?
OneHundredPaperCuts -> Papercuts Ninja -> Papercutters

Or something like this?
OneHundredPaperCuts -> wants to triage -> Papercutters
OneHundredPaperCuts -> wants to fix -> Papercuts Ninja

Sorry if I'm overthinking it, but this way we can better organize the
resources and give some direction to the info we're collecting.


On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:29:17 +0000, Chris Wilson <notgary@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Hi Dario,
> 
> The Papercutters team is intended to be the one you graduate into from
> Paper Cut Ninjas. In Ubuntu, there are two bug teams: the Bug Squad and
Bug
> Control <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl>. The Bug Squad is the
> one that anyone can join and start working on bug reports, but there are
> certain things that those people are unable to so, such as marking
reports
> as either Triaged or Won't Fix as well as nominating bugs for particular
> series or releases.
> 
> Membership of Bug Control is restricted to people who have demonstrated
> that they know what they're doing with bug reports and won't screw
things
> up, and the relationship between the Ninjas and Papercutters is modelled
on
> the relationship between Bug Squad and Bug Control. I'll ask/answer a
> question on this on AskUbuntu.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> On 21 December 2012 13:11, Darío Ruellan <druellan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> 
>> Hi Chris. I was going to write to you about this.
>>
>> While writing the dojo section, I visited those pages and indeed I've
>> found the information a bit scattered and confusing, but beyond that,
>> I've found that the internal organization of the Papercuts Project is
>> not clear enough:
>>
>>
>>
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1D3EeapO6IlKxx9Iy0Pw0qBpa1OmJomC57WoY9M9dgsk/edit
>>
>> This is the organization as I understand currently work. You already
>> solved much of the noise with the Ask Ubuntu section (great!), but I
>> still can't see it clear enough (why "Papercuters" is a subgroup of the
>> Papercuts Ninjas? Its Papercutters about reporting or about maintain
>> the project -or both-?).
>>
>> I was willing to write a proposal (lack of time, sorry), but overall
>> if we are going to maintain those groups, we must make a clear statment
>> of their goals and resources at hand (papercutters has a ppa, for
>> example).
>>
>> Again sorry if I can't actively propose something, but I don't want to
>> mess things just because I lack information.
>>
>> Keep the good work.
>>
>> On viernes, 21 de diciembre de 2012 12:34:37 a.m., Chris Wilson wrote:
>> > Hey Ninjas,
>> >
>> > I've just spent the evening considerably downsizing the scope of the
>> > paper cuts main wiki page. I've always felt it was too large for a
>> > homepage, which should really be to introduce the reader to the topic
>> > in question and provide useful links to other pieces of information.
>> >
>> > I've added a paragraph at the top that says who we are what what we
>> > do. Feel free to edit it all you like, but I think we should keep it
>> > short and simply so people don't have to navigate a wall of text just
>> > to find out there in the wrong place :P
>> >
>> > A lot of the information that was there has been shifted onto
>> > AskUbuntu in the form of question/answer combos. Links to all of
these
>> > can be found in the 'Frequently Asked Questions' section on the wiki
>> > page. I plan to do something about the 'Fixing a paper cut' and
>> > 'Triaging and paper cut' sections as well, but I want to go to bed
>> > right now :P I think they should just point to the
>> > information relevant to fixing and triaging normal bugs since I don't
>> > think the process is at all different.
>> >
>> > We have other pages lurking around the wiki and I think we should get
>> > links to them onto all the lovely new space I've made us.
>> >
>> > What do people think of this?
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> >
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